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you're in the past the gold standard of

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paranormal radio now I have to tell you

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that on the previous episode the para

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casts a great session we had with Joshua

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P Warren about doing paranormal research

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on the cheap we ran into an issue with

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Chris's network connection in the final

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hour of the show where he had to switch

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from Skype which is what we use for

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networking to a landline phone now I

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have to tell you so far I've been

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talking to Chris prior to starting the

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show for about two or three minutes he

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sounds perfect he sounds completely

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normal no strange weather and your

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whereabouts right no okay so I'm hopeful

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I'm hopeful yes is it gonna work out too

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well you know it just one of those

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tricksters kind of moments there we've

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had that happen on the power cache

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through five and a half years

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occasionally we lose a connection when

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we talk about something it's critical

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you know about the paranormal or UFO

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event suddenly something happens now I

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have to tell you that the Skype

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technique is flaky Skype is not a robust

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business class tool it's designed for

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people just to talk back and forth it's

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not designed to be used for radio shows

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although it is used for radio shows even

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TV shows use it now here's someone on

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the Skype connection it's almost always

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distorted the pictures look horrible but

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you figure the technology is still

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developing so there you go but then this

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is GarageBand radio here network radio

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we recorded these kind of guy they're

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gene I'm a Pro Tools kind of guy well

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I'm not using that I'm using peak Pro

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from bias okay from a mention GarageBand

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that's the consumer grade recording

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platform Pro Tools is way to go it's

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like garage bands you know after all you

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know back in the old days of rock and

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roll you had these little one-hit wonder

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bands they do a recording in their

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garage they send it to a record company

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they get it released they might actually

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sell a million or two and then you never

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heard from them again right

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Wonder's yeah of course that was a theme

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of the movie the thing you do that Tom

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Hanks directed and starred in where you

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actually had a band called the wonders

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signifying they were one-hit wonders but

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what we really want to talk about before

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we get into our main guest grant Cameron

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about presidents and UFOs and what they

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might know but what they might not know

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is the point of evidence a big portion

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of our discussion with Joshua P Warren

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and previously with Micah Hanks is

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evidence accumulating evidence

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validating evidence what evidence exists

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for paranormal events and as we take

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this we're not far off from the release

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of President Obama's birth certificate

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president in the United States who was

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ever asked to produce a birth

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certificate so the original one was this

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computerized sheet of paper that most of

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us get you have your birth certificate

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don't you Chris

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I have a copy yeah okay so that's the

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kind of birth certificates a

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computerized entry indicates that you

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were born on such a such a date in such

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and such a city right yep did you know

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gene the one that they've released was

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an unflattering Photoshop job

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oh really with layers yeah let me

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explain what's going on here so the

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reporters are given a copy we assume a

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scan of the original and then what do

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your website or in print you then scan

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that document and when you scan the

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document you're going to do some image

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editing because you want it to look good

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on the screen or in print so you enhance

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it you enhance it in Photoshop so yeah

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there might be layers and layers in

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have different portions of your image in

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being placed one atop another and that

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image better now normally before you

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actually print it you do something

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called flattening we're almost sounding

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like the tech show here you know you

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flatten the image which is you bring all

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those disparate parts together okay so

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supposedly someone looks at the image on

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the website and they download it and

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have their own lair and it's obviously

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been manipulated according to this

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through before we started the show it's

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astonishing what a Homer Simpson moment

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whoever was responsible for allowing

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that to happen well we assume then that

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was part of the pre-press or

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for the newspaper to prepare the image

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to present now understand it's perfectly

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normal to basically take images whether

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they are documents or photos and

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manipulate them that's normal but

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sometimes you're clumsy you should you

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flatten the image by the way also to

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make it smaller in size so doesn't take

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so long to download somebody was just

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careless in the editing process that's

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all well and they left all sorts of

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fingerprints all over the document

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meaning at least you know I again I have

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not really done a lot of research into

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this it literally was what I was doing

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when you called and I'm gonna have to

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check this out because if it's true it

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is the ultimate Homer Simpson moment in

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government I mean what an oversight to

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not flatten a fabricated document if

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that's what it turns out to be and what

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I'll tell you I don't think we've heard

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the last of this story if this is true

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yes but the question is here was that

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dumb that lack of flattening of the

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Photoshop image was it done by the White

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House because they're not photo imaging

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expert so was it done by the publication

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that actually scammed the image for

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pre-press for publication we're gonna

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have to do a little digging on that it's

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there's a pretty interesting thread

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that's just developing now on forums dr.

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podcast.com that is addressing this

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issue what's interesting about it is of

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course evidence evidence and conspiracy

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theories what sort of evidence meets the

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standard before you accept something is

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true I mean you can do this with

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anything and especially if there is a

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translation process of scanning and

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rescanning you know there's going to be

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loss in the original compared to the

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printed copy you know they have to do

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communication like a movie start you see

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them in a publicity photo all the little

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zits on their face all the wrinkles and

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creases they're photoshopped out it's

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not what they really look like I mean

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you take a fashion magazine tell me that

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every model with a perfect complexion

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actually has that in real life

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yeah I actually done that a few times

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myself I was taught some basic photo

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retouching techniques from X dugal

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engineer who you know was that was his

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industry and then making the models look

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the best that they could look and you

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know on the printed page and some of the

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tricks that they use pretty amazing I

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had a metaphysical yoga video that I was

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designing the cover for and it was you

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know a good-looking woman in her mid

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60's and I took about 20 years off her

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and boyish she really liked me well of

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commercials for people who do some kind

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of plastic surgery service or perhaps

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to improve your complexion get rid of

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wrinkles you just know that what you're

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seeing there has been manipulated in

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good and also you have to look at now we

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everybody's a blemish or imperfection is

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front and center so what do they do they

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cameras things to make you look better

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nobody in real life looks the same way

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used like like inks and pain well in

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gaad's they would put a thin layer of

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guns over the over the lens now that's

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often the image back in the 30s some of

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those close-up shots of the starlet is

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all kind of hazy and and sort of

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dreamlike that's because they would

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actually doing physical manipulation to

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way way before we had Photoshop and

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anything like that well today the show

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is not going to be about something

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whether it's live or Memorex it's gonna

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be what do the presidents of the United

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States know or not know about UFOs and

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the answer we hope will come from Grant

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Cameron this is gonna be a good one our

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co-host is Chris O'Brien here on his

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network connection which we hope lasts

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and don't forget to write us news at the

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at the Peres cast comm I'm gene

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have you ever felt like the United

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States government knows way too much

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about your financial affairs I continue

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to hear stories about property seizures

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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

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stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

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the US citizen will ever again have the

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right to life liberty and the pursuit of

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happiness unfortunately with the drug

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and money laundering Act the IRS Revenue

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Ruling 60-45 of 1984 and the

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trading with the enemy Act in Franklin D

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Roosevelt executive order of 1933 some

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welcome to the para cast grant well

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thanks for having me all right

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well we're glad to have you on and

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before we start any other discussions in

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checking your website you recently did a

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review of the book from john alexander

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ufos myths conspiracies and realities we

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had dr. Alexander on the para cast just

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a few weeks ago so I'm really curious

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about your insights and take your time

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tell us what you like or maybe didn't

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like about his book rent I heard the

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show with John and I've heard I try to

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listen to everything that he says he's a

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key player has been added since 1947 so

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you got a respect I've been at it for 35

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years he's been in it for over 60 I

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think he believes what he's saying I

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think he says some very important things

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in the book that I agree with and one of

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them being that in ufology be sort of

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ticked I was a little bit too seriously

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we think that everybody in the world see

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the issue is important we do and in

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reality nobody really cares and when it

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comes to the government the vast

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majority of the people and the

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government really aren't interested

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what's going on he says really nobody

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there's there's individual people

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interested and no institutional interest

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which I disagree with but I agree with

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him in the fact that it really is not

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that big an issue outside of the UFO

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community as it is inside the UFO

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community he makes some points that I

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also agree with in terms of fact that

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the issue when it comes to disclosure

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and I wrote an article one time was

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called the 64 years why the government

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has decided not to tell you what's going

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on and one of the reasons that John

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agrees with that that he brought up was

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the fact that this is a toxic to

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politicians to science to almost anybody

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wants any credibility in their life and

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this is not an issue

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why attached so I fully agree with John

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on those issues my just main

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disagreement and the reason I wrote the

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article and it's for sort of an

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extensive article but I wanted to get

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everything in there and then let people

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sort of pick and choose the main thing I

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disagree with John's argument is that he

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sort of cherry picks as evidence that he

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makes a case were a person who wasn't

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into ufology didn't really think what

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you thought in you read it it's well

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written it's well spaced it's it's very

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concise you would come to a conclusion

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that absolutely nothing to this at all

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that that it's all said and done and

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happy is missing anything that sort of

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gives credibility to the fact that there

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is a cop that the government is doing

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something that material is missing for

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the book so that was the main reason and

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the main thing I put on my article was

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to say John's book here's the other side

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of story for people who are looking at

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this and who want to know what's going

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on there's a bunch of a pulpit and a

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bunch of names and a bunch of stories

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that John had left out of his book for

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whatever reason and if you see the

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phrase and this evidence you will see

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that the field of ufology more balanced

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than the way John tells the story the

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obvious question that arises your grant

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is was John unaware of this evidence or

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felt it had no authority was John

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unaware of his evidence you say he

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didn't include or maybe he didn't

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believe it what's your take on that

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I I think he believes what he's saying I

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think he my father violet for the

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Canadian government and my father was

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sort of skeptical knew all the stories

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and sort of sort of stayed on the

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skeptical side with me until he died he

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was always playing skeptic I think John

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just likes to play that side of the

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thing I think leaves what he's saying I

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really don't know why he left out the

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stuff especially the the names of

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various people and some of the material

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that that occurred inside the advanced

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theoretical group that he that he ran

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and this is a I got the notes and John

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knows I have the notes from these

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meetings some of the material that was

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left there I really don't know why he

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why he left I don't think he he's trying

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to descend from

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guy I think that's just the role he

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plays you know he's sort of the tough

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green-gray guy wears the sunglasses and

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and likes to play that role and ever my

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father used to play that role too okay a

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role grant when you play a role that

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implies you're not being serious about

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it that you don't really believe the

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role you're playing you're acting so

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he's just doing this because he wants to

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be controversial it kind of contradicts

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saying I believe it if you believe

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something and then you play a role that

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implies you're play-acting that's not

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seriously he's planting he knows some of

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the stories that he's left out you it's

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almost like in ufology today there's

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this sort of sort of a conservative bent

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ethology nobody hears say the word iki

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nobody wants to say they know what's

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going on everybody wants the game like

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we really don't know what's going on

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we've been working out this but we think

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it's important for the government to we

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think that somebody should go and

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investigate it well you know I might

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disagree with you there there are some

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people in the UFO field who do say it is

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et and we kind of know where they're at

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and why they're here so there are

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different factions in the UFO field it's

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not just this and nothing else okay but

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the problem I have is when when and I

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had done it for a number of years I I

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know a number of people talked to in

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private and will talk and the net they

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get on in front of radio he then

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suddenly it's like the story completely

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changes they're not talking for example

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when I was at the UFO conference to John

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Rael who run around the Congress and I

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talked to was talking to him about

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Alexander I'd come the Alexander speak

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and I was very interested in this and he

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said oh well you know John Jesus o'clock

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when when he's not on the clock he's

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different

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and that was that's something I've

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always found with with people that I

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know you follow just me researchers who

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are now saying now once they who was a

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prominent researcher when I put up my

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hillary clinton UEFA website told me

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you're ruining a follow gee you

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shouldn't we use the word

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extraterrestrial the government doesn't

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like it you shouldn't use the word alien

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because CNN will over the story and i'm

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saying this is absolutely not that

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you've got to go to a working theory

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you've got to you know put out what you

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best think if you had them in a bet on a

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roulette wheel if you got to make a bet

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what's it going to be and you work

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now you may be wrong but you work from

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that and what John is doing is the same

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sort of thing is that he's afraid he's

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no he's like he's upset about the fact

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that science won't take care of it

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government everybody's laughing at us

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and he's concerned about this reputation

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thing so if we play it down play the et

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part and the extra-terrestrial part

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maybe we'll get some congressmen who

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will step up there and say well we

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should look at the aviation safety or

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something like this and we're gonna get

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UFOs to go in to the government through

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the backdoor and the government's going

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to come out and make an evaluation which

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is absolutely not going to happen

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because if we after 60 years cannot come

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to conclusion what's going on the

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government who can't decide to do

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anything it's not going to touch this

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issue and come up with a decision as to

528
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what is going on okay so your basic

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position here is that John Alexander was

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being politically correct he didn't want

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to upset people he just wanted to get

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his basic points across hoping then he

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would be better able to get people to

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take it seriously and they're also

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suggesting other people in the UFO field

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do the same thing they downplay certain

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more extreme aspects of the phenomenon

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in the hope that somehow this will gain

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better acceptance and once they get the

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door open

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they can explore that stuff that might

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be way out there more extreme more

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eccentric is that correct exact okay

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we have grant Cameron and he has a

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Nate Pope you're listening to the parrot

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rock we return we have grant Cameron

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we're exploring so-called presidential

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UFO issues and we started on the para

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cast with Kenan Kris talking about the

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book by dr. John Alexander someone who

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says he doesn't believe there is a

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conspiracy and the opinion from Grant

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Cameron that that's just something in

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order to be politically correct he

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didn't want to step on the wrong toes

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Chris you want to pick up on this well

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one of the things that you mentioned in

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your article you you it is so rather in

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an extensive extensive review of his

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book and one of the things that kind of

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Springs out is the section called the

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missing names you do point out I think

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we're effectively in in this review that

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there are certain very important names

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that you would think you would have

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thought that Alexander would have

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mentioned in his book however the names

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of james Woolsey and John Peterson and a

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very important name in my opinion is

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Ronald Pandolfi are not mentioned in

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this particular book and you would think

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with their very highly placed sort of

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insider knowledge about the subject or

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you would assume they would have that

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that knowledge that these names would

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have at least been acknowledged and

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mentioned in the book you want to talk

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about these missing individuals

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especially mr. Pandolfi yeah that sort

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of goes to sort of my history in

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mythology I started with with a bunch of

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sightings and I went from there to and

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because I had the sightings I knew there

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was a reality to it it was like nothing

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I'd ever seen before in my life so I

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really had never spent any time with

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sightings or that kind of stuff because

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I always knew what I saw and I was

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basically trying to find out what's the

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answer someone must know what I saw with

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what this phenomena was and so I went

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from from the sightings when nobody

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really I put up manuscript nobody really

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cared I went to the king to find what

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the King government did in the early

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years and from there we sort of ran into

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dr. Eric Walker who was a former

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president Penn State University and we

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believed he knew what was going on we

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for eight years as a bunch of

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researchers chased him around

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trying to find out what he was telling

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us about how the cover-up started and

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empty a12 and I was kind of stopped and

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he was going to these files with the

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president and it was at that point I

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went to see what the president's knew

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about UFOs and when I went to I tell the

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story when I go first to the treatment

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library then I go to the Eisenhower

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library

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and basically that you know 28 million

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pages of files and there's nothing on

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UFOs I thought well this is very strange

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so I spent maybe 10 or 12 years working

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on the president's and sort of became

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very depressed because in in the vast

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majority of libraries there's really no

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UFO documents you really can't tell

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what's going on almost like the

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president is involved at that point I

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sort of gave up residence and I started

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to get into this whole everything and

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I'd had interaction with the bird type

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people from the time that bill Moore

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started this whole thing in the 1980 and

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these are guys like Pandolfi KITT green

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helped put off all these type of people

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and I realized that these were people

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that Bill Moore had found and that these

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were people who had at some point in

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their life had some sort of classified

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interaction with the UFO phenomena or

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had classified background who were

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interested in the phenomena and I saw

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some emails I got was leaked some emails

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number of years ago these people

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interacting and they were at a

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completely different level than you and

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I they were talking about stuff and it

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was for real and it was like man these

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guys maybe know what's going on and I

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tried to push and in the end it came

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down to these guys know a lot more than

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you and I know but they aren't going to

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tell us it's like a second mj-12 they

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may figure it out for themselves but

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that couldn't tell anybody what's going

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on they're just interested for their own

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personal sake so I started to follow

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these people and and and I knew that

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some of them for example kit Green who

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was the former ran the weird desk of CIA

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and Iran Pandolf be who took over the

766
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weird desk around the CIA UFO stuff

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00:31:08,540 --> 00:31:05,850
excuse me weird desk then is the place

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where they look into crazy things weird

769
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things yeah you don't think I think we

770
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call it phenomenology I think that's the

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term they used for UFOs remote viewing

772
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,100
all the the weird type things that that

773
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the CIA might be working on mind-control

774
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:20,940
all that could y'all the weird stuff so

775
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:23,940
the first one was was art lund all who

776
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had run it in the in the 60 70s he was

777
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:28,800
very interested in UFOs was involved

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00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:31,670
with NICAP and then it became

779
00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:34,310
Green and then Ronald Pandolfi took it

780
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over now I don't who's ringing now with

781
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:38,300
and off he's still doing it but a lot of

782
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these people have interacted with the

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00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:40,730
UFO community

784
00:31:45,670 --> 00:31:43,190
London's very famous had a whole

785
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:45,680
collection of correspondence with James

786
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:49,010
McDonald who was the prime UFO research

787
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:51,110
in the 1960s Vinita is a Arizona

788
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:53,450
I saw his files found this huge file of

789
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:55,520
correspondence with art Lundell so these

790
00:32:00,280 --> 00:31:57,290
people have all sort of been involved in

791
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,290
KITT Green was involved with dr. Eric

792
00:32:05,290 --> 00:32:02,240
Walker when we were working on the dr.

793
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:05,300
Eric Walker story bill Moore wanted to

794
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:07,670
see whether Walker knew anything so what

795
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:09,890
he did was he called KITT green in to go

796
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:11,960
and visit dr. Eric Walker who was then

797
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,020
variola elderly at and as professor

798
00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:16,640
emeritus at Penn State at the time and

799
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:18,920
went to see if he could get Walker to

800
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:20,660
confirm was there we were just making

801
00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:22,730
blown smoke over there Walker with me

802
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:25,940
was talking about and Pandolfi is the

803
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:27,770
most famous Pandolfi is just putting out

804
00:32:31,930 --> 00:32:30,080
stuff left right and center talking to

805
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:31,940
different researchers and at Maine in

806
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:34,490
1996 he was he was written up at the top

807
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:36,830
scientist in the CIA which always amazed

808
00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:38,750
me that he's talking about aliens he's

809
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:40,780
talking about all this weird stuff and

810
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:43,610
how does this guy get onto the internet

811
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:45,290
and talk to people and put all this

812
00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:47,330
stuff out when he's a top scientist and

813
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:49,190
CIA there must be something to this and

814
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:51,980
a couple of incidences actually came

815
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:55,400
were for example Bob a manager who is a

816
00:33:00,700 --> 00:32:58,250
prominent person who did the the famous

817
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:00,710
documentary in the 1970s UFOs past

818
00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:02,750
present future I met his host and I'm

819
00:33:04,930 --> 00:33:04,280
going to the Clinton Library I'm looking

820
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:04,940
at Clinton files

821
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:06,590
he lives in Arkansas I go yeah I always

822
00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:08,210
stop and see him for a couple days and

823
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:10,040
I'm talking to him and then he says and

824
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:11,690
he's been involved in UFOs since the

825
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:13,730
1970s and he always involved in the one

826
00:33:18,670 --> 00:33:15,980
case the Holman air force base film and

827
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:18,680
the documentary stuff yeah we place here

828
00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:19,940
and I want to just focus on one thing

829
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:22,820
that you mentioned bill Moore now I

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first heard of Bill Moore when he

831
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co-authored a book on Roswell with the

832
00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:29,600
late Charles Berlitz someone who was a

833
00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:31,460
friend of mine long long ago in a galaxy

834
00:33:37,090 --> 00:33:34,700
far far away now we also know that Bill

835
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:37,100
Moore is the guy who said that he was

836
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:40,220
involved in UFO disinformation so why

837
00:33:44,530 --> 00:33:41,930
believe anything bill Moore does or says

838
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:44,540
well you build more fairly well I dealt

839
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with Bill Moore

840
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and bill more got on the inside and bill

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00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:50,720
more rad is you know buildin were had a

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very big eagle and bill more figured he

843
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could play the game I remember he was

844
00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:57,770
being contacted and I know that the

845
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person already assumed it was Richard

846
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:01,730
Doty and we said right from the word go

847
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:03,260
arisen Richard Doty it was a guy from

848
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the Defense Intelligence Agency and we

849
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we knew some of the people bill was

850
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dealing with and I never knew built to

851
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life Billa was very arrogant bill was

852
00:34:16,870 --> 00:34:14,510
was doing all sorts of stuff and in fact

853
00:34:18,610 --> 00:34:16,880
bill Morris is now fingered Hynek is

854
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,620
being part of the same group that was

855
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:20,000
there was speeding stuff to better wit

856
00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:22,700
okay but now I want to get into some

857
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detail about the cast of characters here

858
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:26,270
because you have to realize that not

859
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everybody is into the Avery and Dodi and

860
00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:31,880
all these figures maybe let's identify

861
00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:34,280
who these people are a word we know Bill

862
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:36,710
Moore is he was a UFO researcher we know

863
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:38,270
that he lost credibility when he

864
00:34:41,950 --> 00:34:40,040
admitted to being involved in

865
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:41,960
disinformation but maybe we can separate

866
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:44,840
who is Rick Doty we hear about Rick Doty

867
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:47,780
who is Rick Doty who are all these

868
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:51,110
strange figures who go in and out of the

869
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:54,260
periphery of the UFO field ok the Avery

870
00:34:58,780 --> 00:34:56,570
is a group that bill put together and

871
00:35:00,910 --> 00:34:58,790
the reason they gave him bird names was

872
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:00,920
that he and Jamie Shan during games and

873
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:01,910
Ray had the intelligence background

874
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:04,730
that's why James and Ray got the the UFO

875
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:07,190
documents in his mailbox okay he's the

876
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,830
one who got the mj-12 documents on film

877
00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:12,800
in his mailbox in the 1980s yeah and so

878
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:15,470
he was working with Bill and they had to

879
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:18,470
have a way to talk they talked in code

880
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,780
so they use these bird names to people

881
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:22,400
that they had made contact and so there

882
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:24,590
was Richard Doty who is what one of them

883
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:26,690
who was contacting Bill and he was one

884
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:28,820
of the Avery who was server

885
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,750
counterintelligence

886
00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:31,280
who is providing a lot of disinformation

887
00:35:36,250 --> 00:35:33,860
there was Robert Collins who Robert

888
00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:36,260
Robert Collins was on the parrot test

889
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:38,360
once long long ago have you heard the

890
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:40,850
episode and he's not so much into the

891
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:44,390
disinformation he's more to get a little

892
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:45,950
bit you know with his weird with his

893
00:35:50,830 --> 00:35:48,050
ideas and stuff wrote a book with with

894
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:50,840
Richard Doty is very seriously trying to

895
00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:53,600
figure what's going on had a US Air

896
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:56,060
Force background at wright-patterson the

897
00:35:59,380 --> 00:35:57,470
old caught in contact with him bill

898
00:36:01,150 --> 00:35:59,390
caught in contact with help

899
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:01,160
bill got in contact and helped put off

900
00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:03,470
with it runs the events instituted in

901
00:36:10,569 --> 00:36:06,920
Austin very prominent guy who was headed

902
00:36:14,020 --> 00:36:10,579
the remote viewing program with another

903
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,030
guy back in the 70s works now on

904
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:16,480
zero-point energy very very smart guy

905
00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:20,270
bill got in contact with Pandolfi with

906
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:22,220
KITT Green who he said was the guy who

907
00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:25,160
could dealt with the president so bill

908
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:26,839
dealt with all these different people

909
00:36:31,450 --> 00:36:30,050
and with bill Coleman bill had a lot of

910
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contacts with different people and

911
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:33,740
basically he was trying to find out what

912
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everybody knew and Bill was the smart

913
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guy and he was going to figure his way

914
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in and figure out how the whole thing

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worked and we'll figure out more about

916
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how the whole thing works which should

917
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be a tongue twister

918
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we have grand Cameron I'm gene Steinberg

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Mosley editor or a sausage smear and I'm

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here to say a good word or two about the

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standard the paranormal radio listen to

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it if you can we return the guest is

1025
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grand Cameron presidential uefa.com is

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the site that has a lot of his research

1027
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we're exploring the Avery about the

1028
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weird shenanigans of Rick Doty bill

1029
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:46,140
Moore Robert Collins and many others I'm

1030
00:41:49,849 --> 00:41:48,119
gene Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the

1031
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:49,859
co-host you're still in the power cast

1032
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for quite a while yet to explore all

1033
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this Chris you want to probe further

1034
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well I think I think gran was on a roll

1035
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there it's really important as you

1036
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,940
pointed out gene that you know the

1037
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listeners have a have a good sense of

1038
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who some of these shadowy figures as you

1039
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:05,520
put it there have been flitting in and

1040
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:07,050
out of the field for years who they are

1041
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and what their possible agendas are and

1042
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you know it leads back to my initial

1043
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question is that there's some very

1044
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important names in John Alexander's book

1045
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that aren't mentioned and Graham was in

1046
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:19,109
the middle of sort of giving us a

1047
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blow-by-blow description of who some of

1048
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:23,400
these people are like Ron Pandolfi like

1049
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:26,790
green others like Russell Targ and help

1050
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:28,410
put off of course who ran the SR I

1051
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remote viewing program in the 70s you

1052
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,599
see the same kind of shadowy cast of

1053
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characters from the seven you know late

1054
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:39,060
70s all the way through the late 90s a

1055
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,250
20-year period that's when a lot of this

1056
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:43,500
disinformation came out that's when a

1057
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:45,420
lot of the memes that are now prevalent

1058
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:47,310
culture whether it's abductions

1059
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:50,490
whether it's gratis retrievals these are

1060
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:54,810
I think emblematic of disinformation and

1061
00:43:00,620 --> 00:42:57,540
I think grandson a good job in digging

1062
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:00,630
into the facts identifying the players

1063
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:02,910
and coming up with documentation that

1064
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:05,490
that proves or disproves some very

1065
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,790
prevalent theories and prevalent beliefs

1066
00:43:12,859 --> 00:43:09,839
that are out there in the UFO community

1067
00:43:15,890 --> 00:43:12,869
why don't you continue you were talking

1068
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:15,900
about let me just add one John Alexander

1069
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:19,050
was also one of the Avery that bill was

1070
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:20,010
was talking

1071
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:22,290
I would sort of disagree in this

1072
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:24,870
information thing that these guys their

1073
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main roles this information I think

1074
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their main role is that they're

1075
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interested in figuring out what's going

1076
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on and that from time to time they put

1077
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some of this stuff I think and and from

1078
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all the material I've seen and I've

1079
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:37,410
followed the document thing from when

1080
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:39,990
mj-12 document was first broken and

1081
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:40,530
stuff like that

1082
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,420
I think the disinformation thing is

1083
00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:43,440
overplayed I think there is

1084
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:45,840
disinformation covering a story that is

1085
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:47,940
being leaked for example the NPA 12

1086
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:50,670
documents come out and the whole thing

1087
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:52,380
almost like the Obama birth certificate

1088
00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:54,090
it just explodes everybody's you know

1089
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:57,000
it's a hoax and typewriters and all this

1090
00:44:01,850 --> 00:43:59,010
sort of stuff and basically the you know

1091
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:01,860
the MT 12 document was discounted it was

1092
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,370
a hoax

1093
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:05,040
nothing to it so Richard Doty goes off

1094
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:07,170
to be a police officer in New Mexico

1095
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:09,750
bill Moore quits in 1998 eighty nine

1096
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:12,180
after the speech at Las Vegas he leaves

1097
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:13,710
ufology doesn't do anything in ufology

1098
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:15,600
you would say if there was this

1099
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:17,550
information they've done the job it's

1100
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,240
game over so why after 1989 did four

1101
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,460
thousand more mj-12 documents get

1102
00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:25,500
released Jacques Vallee first is the one

1103
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:27,120
that brought this idea and it makes

1104
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,060
sense we sort of overplay the fact we

1105
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:32,160
think that we're so important that the

1106
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:33,930
u.s. government and whoever's in charge

1107
00:44:38,660 --> 00:44:35,850
of the thing has to keep throwing us off

1108
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:38,670
the trail the thing was dead in 1989

1109
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:40,770
when Bill Moore left the mj-12 document

1110
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:42,600
nobody believes anything so why do they

1111
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:44,430
keep leaking documents into the UFO

1112
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:46,380
community if this information is there

1113
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,930
it the game is over it's dead the the

1114
00:44:53,810 --> 00:44:51,240
there's nothing more to do and it keeps

1115
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:53,820
leaking documents so my contention is

1116
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:55,530
that it's not just the source it's the

1117
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:57,060
throw us office but burn bill Moore

1118
00:45:00,380 --> 00:44:58,890
which what they wanted to do because

1119
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:00,390
bill Moore had put up the roswell book

1120
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:02,970
and you had to discredit him the same as

1121
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:04,980
they went after Linda Howe because she

1122
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,590
put out the strange harvest the Emmy

1123
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:10,260
award-winning documentary on cattle

1124
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:11,790
mutilations they went after Linda how

1125
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:13,560
and what they were trying to do is is

1126
00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:15,690
discredit these top people who are

1127
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,670
starting to get credibility and at the

1128
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:19,800
same time leaks the story what's going

1129
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:20,160
on

1130
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,970
see that explains why there's so many

1131
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,640
documents and why guys like Ronald

1132
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:28,800
Pandolfi are still putting material out

1133
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:30,450
and if you take a look at it they're all

1134
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:31,890
links together for example I was telling

1135
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:33,690
the story I'm a man a girl

1136
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:36,210
and he says and he isn't involved in 13

1137
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:38,190
years in ufology and he says to me says

1138
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:40,170
I got a phone call from Ronald Pandolfi

1139
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:42,329
I said you got a phone call from Ronald

1140
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:44,730
Pandolfi are you sure and he said but I

1141
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:46,650
think it was and he doesn't care about

1142
00:45:51,319 --> 00:45:48,450
UFOs he couldn't he couldn't care less

1143
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:51,329
he watches TV comedy shows and I said

1144
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:53,010
well why would Ronald Pandolfi phone you

1145
00:45:56,900 --> 00:45:54,569
and he said all he wanted me to do

1146
00:45:58,339 --> 00:45:56,910
something with his RAM project or

1147
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:58,349
whatever like this and I'm going like

1148
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:00,690
this is bizarre and then I'm talking to

1149
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:03,900
Dan Smith I'm Dan Smith is the main guy

1150
00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:06,089
that Ronald Pandolfi talks to to put

1151
00:46:08,809 --> 00:46:07,710
this stuff into the UFO committee I'm

1152
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,819
talking to him there's only a couple

1153
00:46:12,529 --> 00:46:10,319
weeks ago and I'm talking to him about

1154
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:12,539
when he first contacted Ronald Pandolfi

1155
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:15,780
in 1991 he says to me he says I

1156
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:17,940
contacted Ronald Pandolfi they I was

1157
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,980
given a name from NASA and from England

1158
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,359
and they told me to contact this guy

1159
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,520
contacted him I phoned him then

1160
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,440
Ronald Pandolfi phones me back the next

1161
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:26,940
phone call Ronald Pandolf he says I'm

1162
00:46:31,579 --> 00:46:28,650
going to Los Alamos to talk to the

1163
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:31,589
aliens and Dan Smith was this is weird

1164
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,710
so he fought for his Los Alamos to find

1165
00:46:37,579 --> 00:46:36,720
out the Ronald Pandolfi is going there

1166
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:37,589
to talk to aliens

1167
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:39,690
and guess who they put on the phone John

1168
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:42,420
Alexander these names they pop up and

1169
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:44,130
they just cross them take together and

1170
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:45,690
they're all over the place all the time

1171
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:47,910
so I said like I said when I was shocked

1172
00:46:52,549 --> 00:46:50,130
when he said Alexander was on the phone

1173
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:52,559
I said well what Alexander say he said

1174
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,900
he knew Pandolfi was coming and I said

1175
00:46:59,269 --> 00:46:56,700
well what happened and he said well the

1176
00:47:01,220 --> 00:46:59,279
trip was canceled and Pandolfi for me

1177
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:01,230
and said I don't mind if you talk about

1178
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:03,450
me but don't put me and the CIA in the

1179
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,190
same sentence so this is the kind of

1180
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:07,619
stuff like yes it's disinformation it's

1181
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:11,700
game over we are jazz Jacmel ASIS we are

1182
00:47:17,029 --> 00:47:15,150
an insignificant part of society there's

1183
00:47:18,859 --> 00:47:17,039
only a couple of us working on documents

1184
00:47:21,319 --> 00:47:18,869
it's really not going anywhere we're not

1185
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,329
influencing anybody why would they spend

1186
00:47:25,819 --> 00:47:23,700
so much time trying to dis inform people

1187
00:47:28,099 --> 00:47:25,829
when nobody's really reading it anyway

1188
00:47:29,980 --> 00:47:28,109
my put this article about John Alexander

1189
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:29,990
on the Internet I have not got one

1190
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:33,240
comment back yet people it's on there

1191
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:34,890
nobody really reads it nobody really

1192
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,140
reads what's in it when Ronald Pandolfi

1193
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,420
makes a statement and I and I had it out

1194
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:41,880
and it came up a coast-to-coast when

1195
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,250
when this was on there Ronald Pandolfi

1196
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:46,319
stands up and says in terms of the

1197
00:47:50,290 --> 00:47:47,450
briefing of George

1198
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:50,300
Bush jr. we tell the president what he

1199
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:52,310
needs to know and hopefully don't have

1200
00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:54,530
to put him down and I put the minute

1201
00:48:01,540 --> 00:47:57,590
wait a minute wait a minute wait a

1202
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:01,550
minute my friend he needs to know hope

1203
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:03,230
we don't have to put him down what do

1204
00:48:10,030 --> 00:48:07,070
you mean by putting him down I put that

1205
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:10,040
out and then when Dan Smith was on coast

1206
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,610
to coast

1207
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:12,800
I sent the question to George Knapp and

1208
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:14,930
George asked and asked the question the

1209
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:16,670
denseness had put this on his on his

1210
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:19,250
blog site that Pandolfi had told him

1211
00:48:23,290 --> 00:48:21,650
this and Dan said Smith said well I

1212
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:23,300
don't remember him saying that I can't

1213
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:25,670
believe I saw my website yes but I can't

1214
00:48:30,430 --> 00:48:28,250
remember writing this so this comes out

1215
00:48:32,830 --> 00:48:30,440
and it's like nobody even pays attention

1216
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:32,840
to this it's a taniwha sort of the most

1217
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:34,130
significant thing I've ever heard that

1218
00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:36,230
the top scientist for the CIA says we

1219
00:48:39,490 --> 00:48:37,640
tell a pair that Whitney needs to know

1220
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:39,500
in terms of UFOs and hope we'd have to

1221
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:41,330
put them down to a significant and

1222
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:43,490
nobody paid any attention so they by

1223
00:48:47,020 --> 00:48:45,380
putting him down I mean

1224
00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:47,030
shooting him well the obvious

1225
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:49,070
implication is keep your mouth shut or

1226
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:50,780
you're gone that's the implication I

1227
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:52,790
mean we asked Dan Smith and Dan Smith

1228
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:55,730
talks about knowing the Kennedys and his

1229
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:57,380
implication that maybe it comes from the

1230
00:49:00,970 --> 00:48:59,330
Kennedys or something and there really

1231
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:00,980
nobody makes that connection but it

1232
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:03,890
seems very apparent and we know there's

1233
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,570
a connection here though how do you know

1234
00:49:09,550 --> 00:49:07,760
what do you how do we know that this

1235
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:09,560
means anything it could be somebody just

1236
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:11,390
talking through their hat how do we know

1237
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,850
that anything could have happened to a

1238
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:15,440
President of the United States is

1239
00:49:21,850 --> 00:49:19,150
related to the phrase put them down

1240
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:21,860
exactly what I see but what my point is

1241
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:23,870
that nobody paid attention when Ronald

1242
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,060
Pandolfi says this and it's on a website

1243
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:28,400
and it comes up on coast to coast and

1244
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:30,080
it's in my article in John Alexander's

1245
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:31,970
article which has been on my website for

1246
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:33,470
a month and thousands people have read

1247
00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:36,440
nobody has come back and question what

1248
00:49:39,580 --> 00:49:38,180
is Pandolfi nobody that spends off you

1249
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:39,590
nobody's question the whole thing it's

1250
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:41,570
like it just flies away and nobody does

1251
00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:43,610
anything about it that's my point nobody

1252
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:45,590
cares nobody believes it nobody cares

1253
00:49:53,470 --> 00:49:51,250
okay why why are you putting out 4,000

1254
00:49:56,350 --> 00:49:53,480
okay well the point is you're okay you

1255
00:50:01,330 --> 00:49:56,360
say 4,000 mj-12 documents that's more

1256
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:03,670
yeah okay so the woods have catalogued

1257
00:50:08,290 --> 00:50:05,900
4,000 they're receiving this material

1258
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:08,300
yeah from Kim Cooper so why is it

1259
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:10,010
happening well that's the question you

1260
00:50:13,570 --> 00:50:11,570
raised me it's more than just

1261
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:13,580
information you know you're discounting

1262
00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:15,560
the whole idea of this information you

1263
00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:17,990
know fairly I think you're kind of given

1264
00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:21,080
a blanket sort of discounting of it what

1265
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:23,830
about the serpo thing the serpo

1266
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:26,410
controversy that Collins and Dodi and

1267
00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:29,360
Victor Martinez and Dan Smith and others

1268
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:31,580
have been promoting I mean is that you

1269
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:35,680
do believe that science fiction scenario

1270
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:38,930
disinformation it's hidden there is

1271
00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:41,270
material hidden inside the disinflation

1272
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:42,860
that's what you put it out if you take a

1273
00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:46,010
look in my in my article I quote kid

1274
00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:47,990
green a kid Green is one of the Avery

1275
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:49,880
guys who really is not the type of guy

1276
00:50:54,850 --> 00:50:51,890
who's making up stuff I mean kid Green

1277
00:50:56,590 --> 00:50:54,860
is pretty level-headed guy who is very

1278
00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:56,600
interested in the phenomena and stuff

1279
00:50:59,800 --> 00:50:58,190
like that and kid green when he's

1280
00:51:03,040 --> 00:50:59,810
interviewed by these guys who do the

1281
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:03,050
Mirage Mirage man the book he talks

1282
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,330
about this and he basically says well

1283
00:51:08,770 --> 00:51:07,040
you know don't discount the whole thing

1284
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:08,780
and he goes through this whole scenario

1285
00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:11,810
about if the government knew what was

1286
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:14,660
going on and they needed to tell the

1287
00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:16,550
people for whatever reason how would

1288
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:18,200
they go about doing it and that's where

1289
00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:20,690
this scenario comes like you you put out

1290
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:22,550
a bunch of disinformation I know there

1291
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:24,680
are no legitimate documents they're all

1292
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:26,630
funny documents but you're actually

1293
00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:28,790
telling something that's that's going on

1294
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:30,740
in the main example I I can give you two

1295
00:51:34,450 --> 00:51:32,450
examples or give me in the first that's

1296
00:51:37,210 --> 00:51:34,460
all the examples for second guide to the

1297
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:37,220
break we have grant Cameron the site is

1298
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:40,550
presidential UFO calm I'm Jean Steinberg

1299
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:42,470
the co-host is Chris O'Brien and you're

1300
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1315
00:52:24,050 --> 00:52:22,020
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1316
00:52:25,610 --> 00:52:24,060
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1317
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:25,620
won't talk about gold IRAs

1318
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:27,750
they've been available since 1986 yet

1319
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:29,490
the financial industry won't recognize

1320
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:31,020
the value of gold for your retirement

1321
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:33,330
goal has outperformed paper investments

1322
00:52:48,310 --> 00:52:35,490
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

1323
00:52:48,320 --> 00:53:05,620
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1324
00:53:11,539 --> 00:53:09,079
we continue with grand Cameron exploring

1325
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:11,549
what the government knows possible

1326
00:53:15,799 --> 00:53:13,230
government disinformation all the

1327
00:53:18,259 --> 00:53:15,809
players in this little group called the

1328
00:53:19,940 --> 00:53:18,269
Avery and lots of other stuff I'm Jean

1329
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:19,950
Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

1330
00:53:24,769 --> 00:53:22,140
you're back in the power cast you had

1331
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,779
two points to raise her answer grand

1332
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,599
please okay the way it happened with me

1333
00:53:31,099 --> 00:53:29,760
and this is just my theory but I was in

1334
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:31,109
it when it first started the MTA called

1335
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:32,579
document that I was with more in

1336
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:34,140
Freedman and I was asking questions

1337
00:53:37,759 --> 00:53:35,730
because we put out a book called UFOs

1338
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:37,769
mj-12 my government so we looked at big

1339
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:40,170
time at this at this document when the

1340
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,170
document first was released in 1987 a

1341
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:45,839
friend of mine researcher Bill Steinman

1342
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,089
out of California has a document he

1343
00:53:52,819 --> 00:53:50,339
phone dr. Eric Walker and he said to

1344
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:52,829
Walker and why we believed the Walker

1345
00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:54,059
knew was going on he said the Walker

1346
00:53:58,759 --> 00:53:57,150
I've got this document called mj-12 and

1347
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,769
you know it's this whole thing and he

1348
00:54:03,319 --> 00:54:02,160
said you were supposedly had a series of

1349
00:54:06,529 --> 00:54:03,329
briefings at wright-patterson Air Force

1350
00:54:09,529 --> 00:54:06,539
Base and Walker said you know look he

1351
00:54:11,029 --> 00:54:09,539
says I've known of them for 40 years

1352
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:11,039
leave it alone there's nothing can do

1353
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:13,049
Europe against the windmills so I don't

1354
00:54:17,269 --> 00:54:15,089
care a lease is from the word go days

1355
00:54:19,009 --> 00:54:17,279
after this document was made public at

1356
00:54:21,259 --> 00:54:19,019
the new file conference in washington DC

1357
00:54:23,779 --> 00:54:21,269
by Moore Friedman and Shanter a dump

1358
00:54:25,819 --> 00:54:23,789
Eric Walker was asked about it in 1987

1359
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:25,829
and he says I have known of them mj-12

1360
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:28,230
for 40 years leave it alone there's

1361
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:29,730
nothing you can do you're up against the

1362
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:31,400
windows so from the word go I

1363
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:34,710
immediately believed that mj-12 existed

1364
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:37,470
later on founded akio is phony but that

1365
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:39,059
mj-12 existed and there are other

1366
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:42,119
examples leer John Lear now you can say

1367
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,559
al all sorts of stories about John Lear

1368
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:45,359
and about his personality but John Lear

1369
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:47,490
never really lied as far as I know John

1370
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:48,690
Lear told me and he told the story

1371
00:54:53,509 --> 00:54:50,730
numerous times that when the document

1372
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:53,519
first came out his family was friends

1373
00:54:59,539 --> 00:54:57,630
with twining and with Doolittle and that

1374
00:55:01,009 --> 00:54:59,549
his mother had a that Doolittle had a

1375
00:55:02,839 --> 00:55:01,019
thing for his mother and he got his

1376
00:55:05,029 --> 00:55:02,849
mother at the phone general Doolittle

1377
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:05,039
and she took her four months to get up

1378
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:06,240
the courage and she phoned

1379
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,460
Doolittle and said John's gotten into

1380
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:10,799
this UFO thing and he wants to know

1381
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:13,890
general is there a thing called mj-12

1382
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:16,049
and he said yes there is an m12 that's

1383
00:55:19,340 --> 00:55:17,370
all I can tell you that was

1384
00:55:21,050 --> 00:55:19,350
second one we had a source we put in the

1385
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:21,060
book and nobody read this one either so

1386
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:22,710
this is holding the dissertation doesn t

1387
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:24,330
work cuz nobody reads anything anyway we

1388
00:55:30,110 --> 00:55:26,310
had a source when we put out the book in

1389
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:30,120
1990 we had a source who had seen either

1390
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:31,740
the MK 12 document or something very

1391
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:33,570
similar to the mj-12 document at a

1392
00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:36,270
general's office in okinawa and we put

1393
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:37,830
this in the book nobody ever questions

1394
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:40,140
about nobody ever asked us about this so

1395
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:41,640
when we had another confirmation of

1396
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:44,670
mj-12 you have the the excellor Inman

1397
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:46,260
conversation where they talk about mj-12

1398
00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:48,660
and we had a source came up to me when I

1399
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:51,720
was lecturing at ozark from the National

1400
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,730
Archives in the vault this guy works in

1401
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:55,440
the vault he came with his girlfriend

1402
00:55:58,550 --> 00:55:56,940
his girlfriend was interested he was

1403
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,560
interested in UFOs but when the document

1404
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:00,240
thing came he sort of got interest in

1405
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:02,970
this MK 12 thing he told me that in the

1406
00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:05,670
vault he had talked to a guy who had

1407
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:08,180
claimed that he had seen the mj-12

1408
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:11,610
signet designator on a document when he

1409
00:56:14,810 --> 00:56:12,570
was declassifying

1410
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:14,820
Joint Chiefs of Staff so the point of

1411
00:56:18,650 --> 00:56:16,380
the story is that okay well let me stop

1412
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,660
at that story grant I need to stop here

1413
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,880
okay so somebody tells you something at

1414
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:23,280
a UFO event how do you know he's telling

1415
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,900
you the truth because I went I went to

1416
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:26,640
Washington DC I met the archives all the

1417
00:56:30,140 --> 00:56:28,710
time I met him at the archives I talked

1418
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,150
to him I put him in touch with Ryan

1419
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,920
would Ryan would went to Washington

1420
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:33,720
talked to this guy and he said he's in

1421
00:56:37,610 --> 00:56:35,850
the archives he described to us the fact

1422
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:37,620
that that he believed that the document

1423
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:39,000
they had the one that they got a

1424
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:42,510
Suitland Maryland archives he thinks

1425
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:43,500
that they believed that it was

1426
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:44,700
legitimate because the way they were

1427
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:46,740
connecting the document he's inside the

1428
00:56:50,090 --> 00:56:49,110
vault he did classified documents and he

1429
00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:50,100
had told all the people on the

1430
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:52,200
classification the classification team

1431
00:56:56,810 --> 00:56:54,690
if you see an mj-12 document let me know

1432
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:56,820
and so he's basically inside there and

1433
00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:58,770
he's easy interested and he hasn't found

1434
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:00,210
anything yet but he's looking for this

1435
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,210
mj-12 thing claims that somebody earlier

1436
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:05,280
had claimed they had seen something so

1437
00:57:08,810 --> 00:57:06,900
the point of the story is that from the

1438
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:08,820
word go I believed mj-12

1439
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:11,130
existed that whether the document was

1440
00:57:17,810 --> 00:57:11,970
phony

1441
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:17,820
mj-12 concept exists therefore the using

1442
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:19,710
the document to burn bill more on one

1443
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:21,690
hand and to get out the concept that

1444
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:25,500
mj-12 existed why that's why in the 4000

1445
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:27,330
different documents they're putting

1446
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:29,160
stuff let me give you a second example I

1447
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:31,170
was with Ryan wood

1448
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,760
and in Laughlin I went to his house in

1449
00:57:35,809 --> 00:57:34,799
Colorado and we went to the document I

1450
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:35,819
was very impressed that some of the

1451
00:57:38,299 --> 00:57:36,660
stuff he was showing me

1452
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:38,309
there was one document he surely was a

1453
00:57:44,299 --> 00:57:42,630
citation for for Cooper's father there's

1454
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:44,309
nothing to Ryan wood I looked at this I

1455
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:46,260
said kid what this document is it's a

1456
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:46,950
citation

1457
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:49,170
it's the auntie I see and he said well

1458
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:50,400
what do you mean I said

1459
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:53,270
his father got a citation for doing

1460
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:55,230
photographic work through national

1461
00:57:58,880 --> 00:57:56,730
photographic interpretation Center

1462
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,890
Washington DC and I said you know who

1463
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:01,200
ran it they said whoa I said a far as

1464
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:03,150
the Lundell art salons all around a

1465
00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:03,780
weird desk

1466
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,819
so Tim Cooper's father there's a

1467
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:07,859
citation it's in these 4,000 documents

1468
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:10,530
who's gonna notice if I hadn't sat down

1469
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:12,089
at a restaurant in Laughlin and look

1470
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,650
through these documents nobody would

1471
00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:15,119
have picked this up because I knew the

1472
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:17,099
whole story but art learned all the 59

1473
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:19,049
psychic incident at the National

1474
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:20,730
photographic interpretation Center our

1475
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,150
Lendl's I studied art Lundell and there

1476
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:25,920
was a connection there between Cooper

1477
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,670
and the UFO connection then why Cooper

1478
00:58:34,099 --> 00:58:31,200
might have been given these documents so

1479
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:34,109
these kind of things are coming out of

1480
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:36,089
these documents that are sort of telling

1481
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:38,670
a story and the whole kita thing is you

1482
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:41,010
can't ever release a legitimate document

1483
00:58:45,799 --> 00:58:43,380
because if you release a legitimate

1484
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:45,809
document that can be tracked then the

1485
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,970
story is over the Washington Post I'll

1486
00:58:51,319 --> 00:58:49,440
pick up on it well york times will pick

1487
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,329
up on it and the whole thing falls apart

1488
00:58:56,359 --> 00:58:53,579
you have to keep the cover-up going as

1489
00:58:58,809 --> 00:58:56,369
kid green described you have to get the

1490
00:59:01,700 --> 00:58:58,819
stuff out unique little pieces it's

1491
00:59:03,799 --> 00:59:01,710
covered in this information the cover-up

1492
00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:03,809
has to continue the slower the material

1493
00:59:08,359 --> 00:59:06,299
comes out the better it is and the other

1494
00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:08,369
thing that happens is if I tell stories

1495
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:10,140
you tell stories who cares

1496
00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:12,270
there's nothing as long as they don't

1497
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:14,670
control the hardware the document they

1498
00:59:18,049 --> 00:59:16,049
don't care they want you to talk about

1499
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:18,059
they want people to be to be discussing

1500
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,730
this kind of stuff that's why I believe

1501
00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:22,799
there's a gradual disclosure going on

1502
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:25,079
that they are releasing this material

1503
00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:27,660
keeping the cover-up going and that's

1504
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,030
why explains the 4000 document that's

1505
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:32,160
why it's going on you know one of the

1506
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:34,140
questions I always ask about this is if

1507
00:59:39,740 --> 00:59:36,660
there is indeed a UFO cover-up that

1508
00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:39,750
began in the late 1940s how do you

1509
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:41,940
sustain something like that for 64 years

1510
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:44,130
with different administrations different

1511
00:59:48,110 --> 00:59:44,640
prior

1512
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:48,120
is different CIA intelligence people how

1513
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:51,050
is it done well if you have a very

1514
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,770
restricted number of people the

1515
00:59:56,540 --> 00:59:54,240
president really doesn't know this is

1516
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,550
the story that Pandolfi said we tell the

1517
01:00:00,680 --> 00:59:58,020
president what he needs to know

1518
01:00:02,570 --> 01:00:00,690
in fact Alexander if you get Alexander

1519
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:02,580
on again in one of the recent interviews

1520
01:00:06,380 --> 01:00:04,050
and it wasn't followed up by the host

1521
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:06,390
Alexander claims and talked to Clinton

1522
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:09,090
and claiming there's no doubt and I I've

1523
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:10,740
gotten thousands of pages from the

1524
01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:13,020
Clinton Library I filed one hundred 100

1525
01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:14,790
over 100 free Information Act requests

1526
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:16,680
I've got all the material and I think

1527
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:18,210
the Clinton definitely was very

1528
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:20,280
interested Hillary was very interested

1529
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:21,690
they were digging at this they were

1530
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:23,310
going to researchers to get material

1531
01:00:29,780 --> 01:00:27,210
they couldn't get anything so it's very

1532
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:29,790
closely restricted there's a lot of

1533
01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:32,190
stuff that goes on area 51 what are they

1534
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:33,840
flying it or 51 nobody knows I mean

1535
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,160
that's like this I supposedly have

1536
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:36,720
secret weapons but the question about a

1537
01:00:40,990 --> 01:00:39,150
president is okay this is the leader of

1538
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:41,000
the free world the commander-in-chief

1539
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:43,770
how do you keep the president in the

1540
01:00:48,740 --> 01:00:47,490
dark about this stuff well that's what

1541
01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:48,750
the question is should be asked to fend

1542
01:00:53,930 --> 01:00:51,240
off II you because you're raising the

1543
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:53,940
issue and you're quoting him how do you

1544
01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:56,370
do why did I I just think the president

1545
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,630
if you take a look at the president's

1546
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:00,180
schedule the president basically is is

1547
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:01,740
brought around

1548
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:03,930
photo ops do this do that do this he

1549
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:07,020
basically has 1 million issues on his

1550
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,000
plate and it's like the the question of

1551
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:11,520
Obama now is versat verses and he says

1552
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:13,770
this is this is a waste of time we have

1553
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:15,810
issues we've got a war we got economy we

1554
01:01:20,180 --> 01:01:17,850
got and in John Alexander makes this

1555
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:20,190
point to that the UFO issue if you come

1556
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:22,140
right down to it is really not in the

1557
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:27,210
top 1 200 300 issues let's look at this

1558
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:28,890
though and the question I'm gonna ask

1559
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,930
and we'll pursue this as we get on here

1560
01:01:34,340 --> 01:01:32,640
is why shouldn't it be the most

1561
01:01:37,850 --> 01:01:34,350
important issue of the day think about

1562
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:37,860
it if 80 is here we have this advanced

1563
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:40,500
race we can't compete with them on the

1564
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:42,570
military bases they could present a

1565
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:44,040
potential threat we don't know that

1566
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:47,850
could be here for 6070 a thousand years

1567
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:49,650
would ever have a long-range plan we

1568
01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:51,750
don't understand this has got to be the

1569
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:54,150
most important story of the ages because

1570
01:01:58,340 --> 01:01:56,730
if there is a disclosure one that we

1571
01:02:00,680 --> 01:01:58,350
have no control over

1572
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,690
everything's gonna change the entire

1573
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:02,880
world will never be the same

1574
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:04,920
you know it's gonna get out everywhere

1575
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:08,190
so yeah it's important to know about

1576
01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:10,050
natural disasters the Japanese

1577
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:12,150
earthquake it's not important to know

1578
01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:14,010
about Obama's birth certificate because

1579
01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:15,360
we never asked that question of any

1580
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:17,580
other president but it's important to

1581
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:19,260
know about the state of the economy it's

1582
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:20,940
important to know how we're gonna deal

1583
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:22,440
with the deficit how are we going to

1584
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:25,170
grow jobs we understand all that is so

1585
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:27,870
important energy policy every one of

1586
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:29,910
these issues but the big issue here is

1587
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:33,750
if et is here that's still a humongously

1588
01:02:38,570 --> 01:02:35,670
important issue let me ask you about

1589
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:38,580
that but first we have grand Cameron the

1590
01:02:49,820 --> 01:02:40,650
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1591
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Steinberg you're in the para cast have

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personally your life your lifestyle your

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your investments it also can be

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generalized into the nation what's going

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on as a nation we do these same things

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as personally that we do as a nation

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dr. Berry's book chicheng wisdom

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that they're not just economic they're

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UFO is the most important story the most

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important issue confronting a President

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of the United States or the leader of

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any other power around the world the

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here now wouldn't you think that the

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reality of UFOs has to be really high on

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their plate of issues it yeah high on

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their priorities but if you read the

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article I wrote on the 64 reasons why

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they're not telling if you were to give

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these I tell our listeners because they

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haven't read okay but if I'm going to

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get the briefing to the president I'm

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gonna come to the president I'm gonna

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say mr. president these things flying

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around there's nothing we can do about

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it we don't understand you in front of

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the press corps and have you going well

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well we don't really know there's a lot

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of people running around saying that

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they're being abducted

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millions of people they're all gonna

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come forward and we're going to have to

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answer the question about the abductions

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whether it's true or not you're gonna

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have to face this question what do we

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what are we going to tell the people you

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know your Constitution responsible for

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the protection of the American people

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are you going to stand up and say that

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you really can

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stop them from flying around or

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abducting people taking people taking

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samples doing all this kind of stuff

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it's totally out of the control mr.

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president we've got some oil we can

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drill here in Alaska it's not the end of

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the world in fact Walker tolls that one

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a point Walker was a guy that we

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believed there was no going on and we

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were pushing when we were saying mr.

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Walker you're dr. Walker you're an old

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man why don't you just give us this it's

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important give us the issue and he said

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look we haven't blown up the world yet

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what's the big problem and that's the

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whole issue is you know we have 10

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percent unemployment at the end of the

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world if you release this thing I mean

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some of the scenarios of the stock

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market going down and crack crashing and

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not being able to bring it back up

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there's a lot of scenarios that if you

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were to sit there and give the president

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the briefing and take take a look and

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say well you know the stock market may

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not crash but if it does there's nothing

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we can do to bring it back because and

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and this was told to me by a guy who

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worked for the King government he says

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he says grant I'm going to tell you what

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if you realize that UFOs will get me is

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closed tomorrow sell everything you got

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because nothing is gonna be worth

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anything if you were a stock market I

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play stock market big time if you're a

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stock market guy and suddenly it's going

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to be disclosed and suddenly shale oil

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at the opening is down from 100 down to

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75 from a hundred to about three cents I

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think exactly so so everybody's gonna

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sell and in the nine eleven one they

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closed the stock market you could bring

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the stock market back because you said

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well we gotta stop them from approving

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we're getting on the planes where they

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put marshals on the plane anybody stand

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up we're gonna shoot them and every says

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well maybe I have tools control things

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but what do you say about the UFO thing

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there's nothing it's totally out of the

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government's control there's nothing

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they can do about it they can't stop it

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they have no control and if you are the

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president if you are the person who's

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controlling the president of United

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States you do not want the President of

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the United States the most powerful man

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in the world to be standing up and

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looking like an idiot who can control

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nothing

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the issue is toxic I mean Alexander use

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that word several times in his book and

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I I i do agree i mean it is a toxic

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no-win situation you're opening up and

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Dolphy's box or Pandora's box

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but acknowledging that it is an issue so

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so what I'm getting here grant is that

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you're suggesting that we're actually

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seeing disclosure but it is a

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very orchestrated nuanced incremental

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01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,369
disclosure that's totally wrapped around

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01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:56,400
events alleged events like the serpo

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scenario where we've already sent people

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to another planet and some of them

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didn't come back and you know I not sure

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how much our listeners know about that

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particularly on early in the life cycle

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the power case the other thing is your I

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read the documents and they read to me

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01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:16,139
like childish science fiction for

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01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:18,300
example you have descriptions of life on

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this other planet by the exchange

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01:11:25,819 --> 01:11:23,820
students or military officials or

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:25,829
soldiers and they were describing

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01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:28,050
bathroom movements and stuff like that

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01:11:32,899 --> 01:11:29,880
and you think you know what this is

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01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,909
teenaged okay but the stuffy is floating

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01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,320
around that's what they want they want

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:36,480
this material and there's a guy in the

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01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:38,010
Uniting a friend of mine Robby Graham

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01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:40,199
was doing actually doing a PhD thesis on

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01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:42,900
this about this whole idea of dropping

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01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:45,540
this stuff into movies and advertising

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:48,270
and this sort of stuff and this is this

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01:11:52,339 --> 01:11:50,250
gradual they wanted to happen slow

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01:11:53,629 --> 01:11:52,349
because there's nothing you cannot I

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01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:53,639
mean I stand in Freedman makes the

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01:11:57,109 --> 01:11:55,500
argument you can and some blood people

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01:11:59,209 --> 01:11:57,119
make yard and we just not standing you

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01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:59,219
can say you have always exist and we're

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01:12:00,919 --> 01:12:00,420
not talking about the rest because it's

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classified

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:03,449
absolutely ain't gonna happen the minute

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01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:05,730
you say et is real there's something

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01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:08,699
here happening suddenly 5,000 news crews

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01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:10,170
appear at the wall at the White House

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01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:12,060
and the questions will start and within

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01:12:14,660 --> 01:12:13,290
five minutes someone's gonna ask them

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01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:14,670
about abductions someone's gonna ask

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01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:15,900
them what category unless you what about

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:18,030
all these angry cattle guys in the West

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01:12:22,729 --> 01:12:20,250
and there's lawsuits and there's it's

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:22,739
just a total nightmare we're not going

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01:12:25,459 --> 01:12:23,130
there

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01:12:26,419 --> 01:12:25,469
this just leave it alone and that's what

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01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,429
I think they're doing they're just

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01:12:30,910 --> 01:12:28,800
they're gradually trying to get some

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01:12:33,229 --> 01:12:30,920
other stuff out so that's it if it

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01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:33,239
collapses you're not at square one

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01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:34,679
at least you're halfway down the road

1853
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:37,050
and in fact Greene talks about this she

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01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,760
says you put out all this crazy stuff

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01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:40,800
about live aliens and they're eating our

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01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:42,659
people and all this kind of stuff and

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01:12:46,819 --> 01:12:45,510
then it break you say oh it's really not

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01:12:49,129 --> 01:12:46,829
all like that it's just

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01:12:50,780 --> 01:12:49,139
et coming here and ever he goes oh okay

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01:12:52,399 --> 01:12:50,790
and that's and it would keep Green is

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01:12:54,109 --> 01:12:52,409
saying it's different if it's if it's

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01:12:57,260 --> 01:12:54,119
just some wacko on the street but kick

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01:12:59,629 --> 01:12:57,270
Green is that is a respected CIA guy

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01:13:00,710 --> 01:12:59,639
who's a medical background who's never

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01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:00,720
really said anything really

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:02,730
stupid and went green census kind of

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01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:05,250
stuff it backs up what what seems to be

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01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:07,650
explaining what's going on because any

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01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,930
theory that I think people bring up has

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to explain as much of the hundred

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percent of the evidence as possible what

1872
01:13:17,210 --> 01:13:15,660
John Alexander's theories do they

1873
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,220
explain if you only take a look at 50

1874
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,560
percent yes then that's the answer but

1875
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:21,780
you can't just say mj-12 is a phony

1876
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:24,090
document and Bill Moore was a was

1877
01:13:28,010 --> 01:13:26,610
working disinformation and then is when

1878
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:28,020
the vast majority of the documents

1879
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:29,910
appear after he leaves just sort of

1880
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:31,380
ignore them it's happening for a reason

1881
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,420
this is not Bill Moore because Bill

1882
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:35,280
Moore is gone it's not Tim Cooper it's

1883
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,980
not Richard Doty this is an organization

1884
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,600
putting this stuff out and if there's an

1885
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:41,040
organization putting it out there

1886
01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:42,330
putting it out for a reason and my

1887
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:44,220
theory may be wrong but I'm just trying

1888
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,990
to figure out why is someone going

1889
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:47,940
through all this effort why is Pandolfi

1890
01:13:51,890 --> 01:13:50,400
allowed to go out and say stuff and not

1891
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:51,900
get fired I can't believe it I said like

1892
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:53,730
how can this guy say this kind of stuff

1893
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:55,170
and he doesn't get fired it's just

1894
01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:56,010
unbelievable

1895
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:58,020
maybe they consider him a harmless wacko

1896
01:14:02,150 --> 01:14:00,600
well it's sanctioned it's sanctioned

1897
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:02,160
these guys don't know anything by

1898
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:04,140
accident sure Dan Smith said he had him

1899
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:05,910
investigated and the investigation went

1900
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:07,290
for six months and they came back and

1901
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:08,250
said it's okay

1902
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,170
so the it is sanctioned this is a part

1903
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:12,480
of something that he is doing for a

1904
01:14:15,710 --> 01:14:13,920
reason I'm trying to figure out why is

1905
01:14:17,450 --> 01:14:15,720
he doing this why is he allowed to do

1906
01:14:18,740 --> 01:14:17,460
this kind of stuff and what is exactly

1907
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:18,750
going on and I think it's higher than

1908
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:20,940
the president that the president is sort

1909
01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:22,920
of they've told him to leave it alone he

1910
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:24,420
knows there's something going on but

1911
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:26,010
better just to stay away you don't

1912
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:26,640
really want to know

1913
01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:28,530
you know plausible deniability this kind

1914
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:33,540
of stuff powerful as we want to think

1915
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:36,770
that it's possible for the NSA or the

1916
01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:39,960
existing military-industrial complex or

1917
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:41,640
the existing structure to go into the

1918
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:44,250
office of a President Kennedy Johnson

1919
01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:47,010
Nixon all these presidents through the

1920
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:48,630
years and say you know what this is

1921
01:14:52,730 --> 01:14:50,490
happening but you can't do anything

1922
01:14:54,860 --> 01:14:52,740
about it and if you open up your mouth

1923
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:54,870
you're gonna say something it will cause

1924
01:14:58,820 --> 01:14:57,210
further difficulties that they have to

1925
01:15:00,230 --> 01:14:58,830
be persuaded because they can also be

1926
01:15:01,790 --> 01:15:00,240
loose cannons and they'll say you know

1927
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:01,800
what I'm the leader of the free world

1928
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:04,560
you can't tell me what to do or how to

1929
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:06,510
do it I'm gonna go out there and I'm

1930
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:07,320
gonna tell the truth

1931
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:09,570
are there any consequences can they put

1932
01:15:14,180 --> 01:15:11,370
those guys down if they try to do that

1933
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:14,190
but have they ever done it Obama

1934
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:15,750
we have openness all these different

1935
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:17,880
things what secret has he released on

1936
01:15:21,620 --> 01:15:20,160
anything nothing you play the game

1937
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,630
you're your president do you want to go

1938
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:23,280
down in history as this guy suddenly

1939
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,380
it's your CIA suddenly it's your UFO

1940
01:15:28,910 --> 01:15:26,880
cover-up suddenly it's your war and Iraq

1941
01:15:30,740 --> 01:15:28,920
suddenly it's all yours and you're going

1942
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:30,750
to do what everybody else does you're

1943
01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:31,860
going to play the game you're not gonna

1944
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:33,870
upset the applecart because you want to

1945
01:15:37,340 --> 01:15:35,640
go down to history as the guy it's like

1946
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leave it for the next guy the next guy

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can take care of it we have grand

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Cameron the coast is Chris O'Brien I'm

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[Music]

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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2040
01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:28,400
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2047
01:20:49,930 --> 01:20:48,220
806-853-9949 had said the UFO saying

2048
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:49,940
said he was going to everything out in

2049
01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:52,010
the open but the parts of the statement

2050
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:55,070
every leaves out is that he said but if

2051
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,170
it has to do with national security or

2052
01:21:00,820 --> 01:20:59,360
advanced weapons I wouldn't talk about

2053
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:00,830
that and that's the part that appeals

2054
01:21:04,660 --> 01:21:02,449
leaves out so he gets into the White

2055
01:21:06,010 --> 01:21:04,670
House there's a lot of stories back bill

2056
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:06,020
Moore one of the documents he was

2057
01:21:12,669 --> 01:21:08,960
floating around was this query about the

2058
01:21:14,890 --> 01:21:12,679
the briefing in June of 1977 or whatever

2059
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,900
basically stating that he was briefed

2060
01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:17,120
there's all these stories there was a

2061
01:21:22,780 --> 01:21:19,030
Secret Service agent under Jimmy Carter

2062
01:21:24,669 --> 01:21:22,790
who claimed that Jimmy Carter was told

2063
01:21:28,510 --> 01:21:24,679
the story and that he was showing a

2064
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color 50 minute film of a landing of an

2065
01:21:33,610 --> 01:21:31,219
airforce base and this is of course the

2066
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,620
Holloman Air Force Base story there's

2067
01:21:36,910 --> 01:21:35,600
two other presidents where we're sure

2068
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:36,920
they've been told this is part of the

2069
01:21:42,100 --> 01:21:39,920
briefing so he's told that there's a

2070
01:21:44,140 --> 01:21:42,110
story that Jimmy Carter came out crying

2071
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:44,150
story that Billy Graham is in there told

2072
01:21:48,850 --> 01:21:46,310
the president Han I mean this stuff it's

2073
01:21:51,730 --> 01:21:48,860
so hard to substantiate Jimmy Carter

2074
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:51,740
does push the issue the vast majority of

2075
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:53,690
the documents that we have through

2076
01:21:57,550 --> 01:21:55,820
through information today all came uh

2077
01:21:59,860 --> 01:21:57,560
during the Carter Administration he

2078
01:22:02,860 --> 01:21:59,870
shook the tree he had Georgy Paula

2079
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:02,870
blowing the FBI he had Frank press going

2080
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,600
to Nassau he had different people going

2081
01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:07,760
around and shaking and get the material

2082
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,560
out he wasn't able to if you listen to

2083
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:11,600
what shirley maclaine says sure in the

2084
01:22:15,730 --> 01:22:13,340
claim up to them and shirley maclaine

2085
01:22:17,890 --> 01:22:15,740
makes a statement that Jimmy Carter told

2086
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:17,900
her when she was the book out on a limb

2087
01:22:23,530 --> 01:22:21,010
that it was true there were occupants

2088
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:23,540
Shirley MacLaine she's supposedly just a

2089
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:27,590
wacko absolutely what Jimmy Carter told

2090
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:29,330
her she's on Larry King life why would

2091
01:22:34,030 --> 01:22:31,850
she lie about it in fact there's Nicolas

2092
01:22:36,430 --> 01:22:34,040
Cage the week before I was on Letterman

2093
01:22:38,350 --> 01:22:36,440
Show who had said that Shirley was

2094
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:38,360
pulled that he'd seen the bodies in the

2095
01:22:41,860 --> 01:22:40,070
craft and she said well no he didn't

2096
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:41,870
tell me that but he did tell me and then

2097
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:45,440
she said he tried to open it up under

2098
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:48,080
the sunshine but he couldn't and

2099
01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:50,930
wouldn't as he told me and she's taught

2100
01:22:53,710 --> 01:22:52,280
numerous times about talking to Jimmy

2101
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:53,720
Carter about it and that he had

2102
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basically confirmed her yes this is for

2103
01:22:59,230 --> 01:22:57,230
real but on the other hand there are a

2104
01:23:00,520 --> 01:22:59,240
number of stories where now if you hear

2105
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:00,530
Jimmy Carter

2106
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:03,050
interviewed he'll basically now state he

2107
01:23:07,450 --> 01:23:05,240
doesn't believe they're ETS came here

2108
01:23:09,310 --> 01:23:07,460
from another planet and if you see it

2109
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:09,320
was he was interviewed by a skeptical

2110
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:13,130
host on our radial Internet show and on

2111
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:14,690
that one he denied that he'd asked

2112
01:23:19,150 --> 01:23:17,270
George Bush for the for the the files

2113
01:23:21,070 --> 01:23:19,160
and that was the rumored story that when

2114
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he became was getting the

2115
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president-elect briefing which is done

2116
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by the former CIA director of the

2117
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:26,630
administration before that he'd asked

2118
01:23:31,450 --> 01:23:29,330
Bush for the CIA files now he's even

2119
01:23:34,420 --> 01:23:31,460
denying that they asked for the for the

2120
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:34,430
for the UFO files so and on any of them

2121
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:36,050
you can play both sides of the fence

2122
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:37,910
that they know they don't know if you

2123
01:23:41,470 --> 01:23:39,410
listened to Robert Collins Robert

2124
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:41,480
Collins maintains he says to me never

2125
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:42,710
sighs just don't be stupid he said

2126
01:23:45,820 --> 01:23:43,940
they're all told what's going on they're

2127
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:45,830
given a basic briefing and they're told

2128
01:23:50,590 --> 01:23:48,230
and they know to keep it to keep it

2129
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:50,600
secret on the other hand if you listen

2130
01:23:54,730 --> 01:23:53,090
to Bill Clinton Bill Clinton has talked

2131
01:23:55,900 --> 01:23:54,740
about UFOs on a number of occasions that

2132
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:55,910
always says

2133
01:24:00,220 --> 01:23:58,010
I tried to find out about Roswell and

2134
01:24:02,380 --> 01:24:00,230
then he says I'm probably not the first

2135
01:24:04,090 --> 01:24:02,390
president that they kept in the dark or

2136
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that bureaucrats have tried to wait out

2137
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when you get up where did he say that he

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said it in Hong Kong in September of

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2005 in front of an in front of a an

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investment seminar it's on my it's not

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to presidential you have a website we

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recovered the actual videotape of him

2143
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:20,660
saying that let's go back to maybe the

2144
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earlier history we hear so many rumors

2145
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that President Eisenhower which some

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people believe was the last one of the

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last great presidents out there because

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we had this great prosperity in the 50s

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you know everybody had a home if they

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wanted to get one everybody was well fed

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not so much poverty whatever I mean the

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real issues are not so pristine but

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whatever

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Pleasant fill USA what did eisenhower

2155
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know we always have these stories for

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example that he went to this bunker or

2157
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somewhere and saw a spaceship he saw ET

2158
01:24:56,590 --> 01:24:54,500
what's the real skinny on all that

2159
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,600
there's really nothing concrete and we

2160
01:25:00,640 --> 01:24:58,400
know the story for example the story at

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01:25:02,020 --> 01:25:00,650
Edwards Air Force Base I went there Bill

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Moore looked at this story went to the

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eyes our library check poster I went

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01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:05,390
checked all the same documents spent

2165
01:25:07,390 --> 01:25:06,710
days there checking all those sort of

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01:25:09,550 --> 01:25:07,400
stuff

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the story was that he was at Palm

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Springs in February of 1954 and that he

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was scurried off to Edwards to see Bill

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Maher tells the story dead aliens the

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original story in 1954 was that the

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aliens were interacting with him and

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then later on you get Cooper and some of

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these other people adding the story of

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the interaction and the agreement to

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abduct people on all this nonsense and

2177
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:35,630
almost all of it is sort of made-up

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added on disinformation from Richard

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Doty or whoever

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01:25:44,350 --> 01:25:41,180
adding this stuff on there all we know

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for a fact and there's no doubt that he

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disappeared for a period of time at Palm

2183
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Springs California and that the press

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secretary Haggerty had to come out and

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calm the press second

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01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:55,370
because I mean he was about to put it on

2187
01:25:58,570 --> 01:25:56,570
the wire that he had died of a heart

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01:26:01,150 --> 01:25:58,580
attack we know this is all the documents

2189
01:26:03,940 --> 01:26:01,160
but as to what happened where did he go

2190
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:03,950
really that's where it all becomes foggy

2191
01:26:09,459 --> 01:26:07,280
after Truman it's all very foggy as to

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what people knew

2193
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there's important people under

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presidents who knew various materials

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like for example Arthur lund all was as

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I mentioned the the head of the weird

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desk under Kennedy and Arthur lund all

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was the guy who went into president's

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office and gave him the the briefing on

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the missiles in Cuba and because he ran

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the National photographic interpretation

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center where all the you through the

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sr-71 and the spy photographs were

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analyzed so he was very interested and

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he was under Kennedy so there's four

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important people in administration's but

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there really if you come right down to

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it with presidents there is really no

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hard evidence that really links a

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president into any of the events there

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01:27:02,410 --> 01:27:00,170
might be one example for example there

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was a story that was always told when

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01:27:06,910 --> 01:27:04,430
you knew this of the Roswell story about

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the fact that various people were sworn

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to secrecy by the president and what I

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had done is I've taken the names of

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01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:12,590
these various people at Roswell and had

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gone and checked the the records at

2219
01:27:19,330 --> 01:27:16,670
Truman library and none of them checked

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01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:19,340
so I went to Tom Kerry and I said none

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01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:21,310
of the stuff checks who are these people

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01:27:25,450 --> 01:27:23,480
why why is this not checking and they

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said well it wasn't the president it was

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a Secret Service agent on behalf of the

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president swearing people to secrecy had

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Roswell so I said okay so what was the

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guy's name so they gave me a guy's name

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in a gated guys name was Gerald McCants

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but with two ends on the end so I went

2230
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check the Truman library and sure enough

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there was a Secret Service agent under

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the President Gerald McCann and this is

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a story all these different people

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you'll hear that were sworn to secrecy

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at Roswell were sworn to secrecy by

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Gerald McCann now to me that was a very

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concrete sort of piece of evidence that

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indicated that yes the President Truman

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didn't know about Roswell and when you

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take a look at if you look at the phone

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records I pulled all the phone records

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from the switchboard the White House

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switchboard done the president's all his

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phone calls during the Roswell period is

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his second appointment secretary is very

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important anybody wanted to see the

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president get to the president you had

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to go through the department secretary

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all his phone calls there's absolutely

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no phone calls in that time period that

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would indicate that the president knew

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what was going on at Roswell would you

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massage those records if

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wanted to keep them secret how do you

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know this well I mean sure I mean

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anything's possible but these are

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handwritten records I mean these are

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like you know the little cards you know

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like little cards where they I mean they

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went through a lot of work but they were

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able to to sanitize that guy stuff and

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the other stuff they didn't sanitize I

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mean David rhew di dr. David Rudy AK

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does all the interactions with Vannevar

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Bush and the research and development

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board and there you could see all sorts

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of stuff going on meetings taking place

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during the Roswell period

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high officials around Truman who are

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having these meetings and you have for

2271
01:29:04,690 --> 01:28:59,720
example the story that Billy Cox tells

2272
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where this games been games guy is

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flying this general Craigie

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into Roswell and he stays overnight and

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it goes to whatever and says I have to

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go back and tell the president so you

2277
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:16,250
have these kind of things but in terms

2278
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of the the records I mean how would they

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know I mean if people sort of figure

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that there's there's this cover-up I

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have found and I don't know a lot of the

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archivist said a lot of the the

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libraries that it's not the archives for

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sure I mean these people are just as

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interested as you and I is I think

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what's going on okay we'll get into more

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of what's going on our next segment

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grand Cameron joins us I'm gene

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2403
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:46,050
on radio as a broadcaster a conspiracy

2404
01:34:52,190 --> 01:34:49,410
theorist some say he was actually at

2405
01:34:54,710 --> 01:34:52,200
Dealey Plaza in the days of the Kennedy

2406
01:34:57,950 --> 01:34:54,720
assassination in Dealey Plaza in Dallas

2407
01:35:00,140 --> 01:34:57,960
Texas anything to that at all I've

2408
01:35:01,550 --> 01:35:00,150
looked at it is it's one of those that

2409
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:01,560
sounds like a disinformation thing it

2410
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:03,810
just sort of swirls around and it sort

2411
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:05,130
of looks like you know he may have been

2412
01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:06,480
there and there may have been this

2413
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:08,100
connection but then you look at the

2414
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:09,600
Moore Allen thing and it starts to fall

2415
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:12,690
apart and it's just as cases that are

2416
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:15,780
that old and have that much I looked at

2417
01:35:20,180 --> 01:35:18,090
it I couldn't I couldn't establish

2418
01:35:21,620 --> 01:35:20,190
anything firm on it no okay it's a weird

2419
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,630
connection I'll agree ancillary

2420
01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:23,760
connection this guy suddenly reappears

2421
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:26,100
and you know in the Kennedy

2422
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:27,930
administration right there are some

2423
01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:28,980
there are some of these weird

2424
01:35:32,210 --> 01:35:30,840
connections were these people and then

2425
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:32,220
there's one I give you a weird one I

2426
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:35,400
mean James Webb appears every time

2427
01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:38,580
there's a crash 47 he was in different

2428
01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:40,830
jobs in different white houses 47 he's

2429
01:35:45,110 --> 01:35:42,540
there meeting with the president's a

2430
01:35:47,150 --> 01:35:45,120
couple days before after Oswald or after

2431
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:47,160
Oswald the Kecksburg crash he's there

2432
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:49,170
he's the head of NASA at the PI he just

2433
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:50,910
he just appears every time is a major

2434
01:35:55,220 --> 01:35:53,850
incident James Webb was involved and he

2435
01:35:57,140 --> 01:35:55,230
really doesn't go anywhere it's just

2436
01:35:59,000 --> 01:35:57,150
this he just happened to be there all

2437
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:59,010
the time and it was kind of weird so a

2438
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:00,840
lot of these colleges like that I mean

2439
01:36:05,900 --> 01:36:02,850
it's it's this sort of smoke and mirrors

2440
01:36:07,820 --> 01:36:05,910
type thing where you get stuff and then

2441
01:36:09,170 --> 01:36:07,830
the distillation guys throw a bunch of

2442
01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:09,180
stuff in there

2443
01:36:12,620 --> 01:36:10,620
they want people to talk about it and

2444
01:36:15,260 --> 01:36:12,630
the general like concept comes out there

2445
01:36:17,810 --> 01:36:15,270
are crashes there there's a live alien

2446
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:17,820
this kind of stuff but the actual

2447
01:36:21,770 --> 01:36:20,250
nailing it down they've got it to the

2448
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:21,780
point where nobody can nail it down and

2449
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:24,330
that's what they want the the cover-up

2450
01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:27,420
has to continue that's the critical part

2451
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:29,220
of the whole thing because there's a lot

2452
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:31,170
of the weird things they do for example

2453
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:34,020
we have we should expect this thing

2454
01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:36,630
about the gradual disclosure 1969 to

2455
01:36:39,290 --> 01:36:38,760
close down blue look okay so they shut

2456
01:36:42,350 --> 01:36:39,300
it down

2457
01:36:45,110 --> 01:36:42,360
corals of the Air Force guy that shuts

2458
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:45,120
down secretary 1973 they approached

2459
01:36:50,660 --> 01:36:46,890
Robert a manager and said we want you to

2460
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:50,670
do all these documentaries and the last

2461
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:52,650
one we want to do is on UFOs we want you

2462
01:36:55,970 --> 01:36:53,970
to sort of cover it under all these

2463
01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:55,980
other documentaries for the Defense

2464
01:37:00,170 --> 01:36:58,530
Department and so he does this whole

2465
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:00,180
documentary and then years later he's

2466
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,370
talking to me and I keep asking him well

2467
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:04,320
why did they try to contact you public

2468
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:06,030
why did the government cooperate with

2469
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:07,650
you because it appears like everybody

2470
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:09,450
cooperated with him and he said well

2471
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:11,010
that's Coleman so he phones up Bob

2472
01:37:16,300 --> 01:37:14,280
Robert Coleman who is the guy who pulled

2473
01:37:21,110 --> 01:37:16,310
the Holloman Air Force Base film who

2474
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:21,120
agreed to the the script they went over

2475
01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:22,890
the script and agreed with all this sort

2476
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:24,180
of stuff and put him in contact with

2477
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:26,820
people and stuff and he said bill he

2478
01:37:30,170 --> 01:37:28,650
says you know I've got a question for

2479
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:30,180
you you know when we were doing this

2480
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:32,370
documentary by in 1970s why did you

2481
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:34,770
cooperate with us and Coleman says to

2482
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:36,000
them when the Secretary of the Air Force

2483
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:37,770
tells you to do something you do it

2484
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:40,050
Secretary of the Air Force was calls the

2485
01:37:44,990 --> 01:37:42,030
same guy shut down Blue Book so he shuts

2486
01:37:46,970 --> 01:37:45,000
down Blue Book ends the UFO thing like

2487
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:46,980
it's dead it's dead in the water

2488
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:49,290
there's no more UFOs it's like it's all

2489
01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:51,000
nonsense whatever

2490
01:37:56,540 --> 01:37:54,300
so why in 1973 do you come back and pour

2491
01:37:59,060 --> 01:37:56,550
gas on on the embers and start the fire

2492
01:38:00,620 --> 01:37:59,070
again why would you go back give Bob a

2493
01:38:02,690 --> 01:38:00,630
maneger all this stuff and give him a

2494
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:02,700
legitimate hardcore story

2495
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:05,520
the 1959 psychic incidents that nobody's

2496
01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:08,280
ever heard before which involves Artland

2497
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:10,710
all the head of CIA guy it being

2498
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:12,930
involved in this case why would you dump

2499
01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:14,850
all the stuff into the UFO community

2500
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:16,920
when do you have okay ninety wasn't dead

2501
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:19,170
nycap it was all self-destructing the

2502
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:20,850
sames after Bill Moore in 89

2503
01:38:25,190 --> 01:38:23,040
everything self destructed

2504
01:38:27,530 --> 01:38:25,200
like apology was nobody wanted to touch

2505
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:27,540
it so why do you come back and stir it

2506
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:29,130
up again put more stuff into the UFO

2507
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:30,930
community there has to be a reason and

2508
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:33,810
that's why I think the idea that they're

2509
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:36,000
trying to get stuff out without

2510
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:38,010
interrupting the cover-up is a

2511
01:38:41,390 --> 01:38:39,510
legitimate theory it may be wrong but

2512
01:38:43,730 --> 01:38:41,400
that that's what I think is going on

2513
01:38:45,410 --> 01:38:43,740
well what kind of long-range plan we

2514
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:45,420
talking about here are we going to be

2515
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:46,710
talking about this if we're still alive

2516
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:49,290
fifty years from now well they're still

2517
01:38:53,180 --> 01:38:51,930
engaged in gradual disclosure and you

2518
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,190
know eventually it's going to come out

2519
01:38:58,580 --> 01:38:55,920
absolutely I've always said there's no

2520
01:39:03,110 --> 01:38:58,590
way I will see the the end of this thing

2521
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:03,120
to me my thing is just to put down the

2522
01:39:08,780 --> 01:39:05,940
history of what happened is best as I

2523
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:08,790
can for future generations I think not a

2524
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:09,570
chance

2525
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:10,890
are we going to see this next so awhile

2526
01:39:14,510 --> 01:39:13,080
I mean you have to look at how much do

2527
01:39:16,730 --> 01:39:14,520
you think they have control over what's

2528
01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:16,740
going on I and John Alexander and that's

2529
01:39:21,470 --> 01:39:19,260
where he makes the point they really

2530
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:21,480
nobody seems like there's nothing going

2531
01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:23,370
on they really don't have any control if

2532
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:26,100
this is going on and John says that they

2533
01:39:30,350 --> 01:39:27,570
have instruments that pick these things

2534
01:39:31,820 --> 01:39:30,360
up they can't control any of it so I

2535
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:31,830
mean how many years are going to be

2536
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:33,510
telling it control it once again control

2537
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,860
it because if you're the if you're

2538
01:39:39,010 --> 01:39:36,960
talking to the president you say mr.

2539
01:39:41,090 --> 01:39:39,020
president just give us ten more years

2540
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:41,100
your contingency plan

2541
01:39:46,730 --> 01:39:43,890
say there's a mast landing landing

2542
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:46,740
occurs around the world in all the major

2543
01:39:51,770 --> 01:39:49,920
cities we have V we have Independence

2544
01:39:53,780 --> 01:39:51,780
Day we've got these huge mother ships

2545
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:53,790
over major cities whatever the event is

2546
01:39:59,690 --> 01:39:56,400
don't we have some contingency plan we

2547
01:40:01,280 --> 01:39:59,700
hope they were sure that's where kid

2548
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:01,290
green talks about that thing you put in

2549
01:40:04,610 --> 01:40:02,910
all the stuff about live alien but

2550
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,620
aliens eating people and all sorts of

2551
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:06,960
totally wacko stuff and then when it

2552
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:08,610
comes right down to it you say well no

2553
01:40:12,350 --> 01:40:11,010
they're not eating us all it's just ETS

2554
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:12,360
going to visit us and everybody goes oh

2555
01:40:15,770 --> 01:40:13,440
okay that's okay

2556
01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:15,780
and that's kid green saying that so that

2557
01:40:19,580 --> 01:40:17,670
would be your contingency plan which is

2558
01:40:22,580 --> 01:40:19,590
probably still going to cause a lot of

2559
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:22,590
problems but I think it's as long as you

2560
01:40:27,620 --> 01:40:24,810
can pull this thing off to me that's if

2561
01:40:29,060 --> 01:40:27,630
I was if I was in their position I've

2562
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:29,070
said this numerous times if I was in the

2563
01:40:32,660 --> 01:40:30,810
position of advising the President on

2564
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,670
this situation I would tell them to do

2565
01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:34,080
exactly what they're doing right now I

2566
01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:36,030
would be part of the cover-up I'm not on

2567
01:40:40,050 --> 01:40:36,940
their side so I'm

2568
01:40:42,060 --> 01:40:40,060
the disclosure thing but I can see and

2569
01:40:43,950 --> 01:40:42,070
the reason I went through this whole

2570
01:40:46,050 --> 01:40:43,960
scenario of trying to understand why the

2571
01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:46,060
government was doing this I couldn't

2572
01:40:49,229 --> 01:40:47,710
figure out why Jimmy Carter had changed

2573
01:40:51,090 --> 01:40:49,239
Jimmy Carter goes in he says I'm going

2574
01:40:53,250 --> 01:40:51,100
to release the UFO stuff I'm interested

2575
01:40:55,020 --> 01:40:53,260
also stuff he walks in and he does and

2576
01:40:56,580 --> 01:40:55,030
he appears to do nothing he didn't he

2577
01:40:58,590 --> 01:40:56,590
did do some stuff but it appears to do

2578
01:41:00,840 --> 01:40:58,600
nothing so what is it that they told

2579
01:41:02,729 --> 01:41:00,850
Jimmy Carter that changed his mind to

2580
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:02,739
join the other team and I said there has

2581
01:41:06,300 --> 01:41:04,060
to be something that they're telling the

2582
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:06,310
president that makes him play the game

2583
01:41:11,939 --> 01:41:09,130
yeah just be somebody in a room with a

2584
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:11,949
black briefcase three men in dark suits

2585
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:14,710
it has to be some compelling evidence it

2586
01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:17,530
says listen mr. president this is what's

2587
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:19,480
going on this is the video this is the

2588
01:41:23,790 --> 01:41:21,370
tape depending on the era in which you

2589
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:23,800
lived this is the evidence that is a

2590
01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:26,890
hundred percent genuine this is why you

2591
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:29,980
can't do it on everything that's what

2592
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:32,110
I'm saying has released no secrets on

2593
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:33,760
anything so you start the briefing you

2594
01:41:38,459 --> 01:41:35,770
say okay this is a top-secret briefing

2595
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:38,469
you know and and he knows that it's top

2596
01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:40,090
secret you release it you're gonna end

2597
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,790
up in jail we killed this leader we blew

2598
01:41:45,930 --> 01:41:44,560
up this country we did this we did this

2599
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:45,940
and there's a hundred things that

2600
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:48,250
elevennews but suddenly it's his and he

2601
01:41:52,890 --> 01:41:50,530
and he has to take responsibility for so

2602
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:52,900
Obama has released nothing Clinton was

2603
01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:54,850
the only person I ever released any sort

2604
01:41:58,020 --> 01:41:56,080
of secret when he talked about this

2605
01:42:00,479 --> 01:41:58,030
contamination where they were using the

2606
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:00,489
plutonium stuff like that and Jimmy

2607
01:42:05,459 --> 01:42:02,410
Carter got in trouble and there's a

2608
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:05,469
cartoonist sometimes I show it was in a

2609
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:07,690
newspaper Jimmy Carter released the

2610
01:42:11,939 --> 01:42:09,670
stealth technology secret and he took a

2611
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:11,949
big hit for this it was all sorts of

2612
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:14,110
backlash on the fact that he had

2613
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:15,160
released the fact that they had the

2614
01:42:19,170 --> 01:42:16,960
stealth technology so it's not something

2615
01:42:21,209 --> 01:42:19,180
the president doesn't release secrets on

2616
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:21,219
anything because he's sworn to secrecy

2617
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:24,400
it's his thing he did he doesn't step

2618
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:26,770
out they never step out so it's not that

2619
01:42:31,979 --> 01:42:28,330
I don't think it's that hard to get the

2620
01:42:33,689 --> 01:42:31,989
President to reveal to keep secret

2621
01:42:35,729 --> 01:42:33,699
because there's a lot of Secrets the

2622
01:42:38,010 --> 01:42:35,739
president is keeping so it's by force of

2623
01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:38,020
logic and evidence it's not like well

2624
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:39,910
this president might be a loose cannon

2625
01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:42,610
and he might release his information or

2626
01:42:47,850 --> 01:42:45,310
do you say hey mr. president you know if

2627
01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:47,860
you release this information you know

2628
01:42:49,879 --> 01:42:49,420
it's always possible you know I can't

2629
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:49,889
get up

2630
01:42:54,409 --> 01:42:53,010
morning well I don't know but I I don't

2631
01:42:57,020 --> 01:42:54,419
think they threatened the president but

2632
01:42:58,969 --> 01:42:57,030
I think there there's a story about the

2633
01:43:00,589 --> 01:42:58,979
psychological profile so certain

2634
01:43:03,609 --> 01:43:00,599
presidents are told more than others the

2635
01:43:05,870 --> 01:43:03,619
Republicans are told more than

2636
01:43:08,389 --> 01:43:05,880
Democratic presidents and this the idea

2637
01:43:10,009 --> 01:43:08,399
there was that that Bill Clinton because

2638
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:10,019
of his background and running around

2639
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:11,610
women and stuff was sort of a loose

2640
01:43:14,919 --> 01:43:13,320
cannon that you really he could be

2641
01:43:17,959 --> 01:43:14,929
blackmailed he didn't want to give

2642
01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:17,969
Clinton as much as you gave say Bush

2643
01:43:24,169 --> 01:43:21,510
which is why when when when I got the

2644
01:43:27,049 --> 01:43:24,179
chance to talk to get Cheney and the

2645
01:43:31,399 --> 01:43:27,059
Ruhr was always the Dick Cheney had been

2646
01:43:32,569 --> 01:43:31,409
been read in I asked him the recent

2647
01:43:33,709 --> 01:43:32,579
question that's why I say if you ever

2648
01:43:35,899 --> 01:43:33,719
come across a president or vice

2649
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:35,909
president or a four-star general or

2650
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:37,679
something like that what you do is you

2651
01:43:40,129 --> 01:43:38,880
don't ask him are you interested or

2652
01:43:41,839 --> 01:43:40,139
whatever you ask him the briefing

2653
01:43:44,839 --> 01:43:41,849
question and the question I asked Dick

2654
01:43:47,149 --> 01:43:44,849
Cheney what circumstances did you meet

2655
01:43:49,879 --> 01:43:47,159
Dick Cheney he was on a radio talk show

2656
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:49,889
just that in April of 2001 just after

2657
01:43:54,469 --> 01:43:51,449
they came into the White House he was in

2658
01:43:57,500 --> 01:43:54,479
a Diane Rehm Show which is a PBS public

2659
01:44:00,439 --> 01:43:57,510
radio station show in Washington and she

2660
01:44:02,540 --> 01:44:00,449
often has officials from from the

2661
01:44:04,969 --> 01:44:02,550
government on her show he was on there I

2662
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:04,979
had learned how to get on get on the

2663
01:44:11,209 --> 01:44:07,110
first call and how to out of phone in

2664
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:11,219
and so I phoned in to the show I was the

2665
01:44:15,379 --> 01:44:14,159
first caller up I asked the UFO question

2666
01:44:16,580 --> 01:44:15,389
and the next time of crisis Ron

2667
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:16,590
Halliburton and he was absolutely

2668
01:44:20,899 --> 01:44:18,840
furious when I was all over I'll ask you

2669
01:44:22,819 --> 01:44:20,909
what the answer was in a moment okay and

2670
01:44:24,589 --> 01:44:22,829
maybe we could have someone do a search

2671
01:44:26,659 --> 01:44:24,599
online to see if they can find the audio

2672
01:44:28,819 --> 01:44:26,669
for that show unless you have asked

2673
01:44:31,009 --> 01:44:28,829
about that to grant Cameron joins us I'm

2674
01:44:36,090 --> 01:44:31,019
Jean Steinberg the coast is Chris

2675
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:39,200
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2676
01:44:43,950 --> 01:44:41,890
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2688
01:45:10,110 --> 01:45:07,540
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2689
01:45:11,580 --> 01:45:10,120
again that's juicy and live.com we the

2690
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:11,590
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2691
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,690
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2692
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2693
01:45:17,490 --> 01:45:17,050
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2694
01:45:19,260 --> 01:45:17,500
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2695
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:19,270
forcing taxes to service debt this

2696
01:45:22,590 --> 01:45:21,130
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

2697
01:45:24,210 --> 01:45:22,600
stating a central bank issuing the

2698
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:24,220
public currency is a greater menace to

2699
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:25,360
the liberties of the people than a

2700
01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:27,130
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

2701
01:45:30,270 --> 01:45:28,270
free silver dollar in a book that

2702
01:45:33,540 --> 01:45:30,280
explains our monetary system call for

2703
01:45:36,630 --> 01:45:33,550
your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to

2704
01:45:45,180 --> 01:45:36,640
understand the system call 866 to 237

2705
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:45,190
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

2706
01:45:50,460 --> 01:45:47,170
the pair cast the gold standard of

2707
01:45:54,890 --> 01:45:50,470
paranormal radio and now here's gene

2708
01:45:59,940 --> 01:45:58,200
Wow we're talking about what not just

2709
01:46:02,160 --> 01:45:59,950
the president but perhaps the vice

2710
01:46:03,810 --> 01:46:02,170
president knew and when they knew it

2711
01:46:07,260 --> 01:46:03,820
especially Dick Cheney you know we think

2712
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:07,270
of him as being the Darth Vader of the

2713
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:09,250
vice presidency whatever your political

2714
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:11,770
persuasion don't attack me that's what

2715
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:13,840
some people think I'm Jean Steinberg the

2716
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:15,730
co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in the

2717
01:46:19,650 --> 01:46:18,070
para cast all right grand Cameron the

2718
01:46:21,900 --> 01:46:19,660
question is asked on this radio show

2719
01:46:24,030 --> 01:46:21,910
Dick Cheney's there you get on first

2720
01:46:24,660 --> 01:46:24,040
like to know how to do that you get on

2721
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:24,670
first

2722
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:27,370
explain the question before we go into

2723
01:46:32,430 --> 01:46:29,560
the answer maybe more details about how

2724
01:46:34,650 --> 01:46:32,440
you posed this question okay my idea was

2725
01:46:36,540 --> 01:46:34,660
that I really don't care what mr. Cheney

2726
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:36,550
thinks about UFOs I really don't care if

2727
01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:39,040
you've seen a UFO all I want to know is

2728
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:41,350
what he told the truth and the truth to

2729
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,970
me whether you're a general or vice

2730
01:46:47,370 --> 01:46:44,800
president president whatever if somebody

2731
01:46:49,770 --> 01:46:47,380
walks in your office and gives you the

2732
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:49,780
briefing the real truth the until all

2733
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:51,130
the intelligence they gather all the

2734
01:46:53,670 --> 01:46:52,000
intelligence together

2735
01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:53,680
and they walk in and they briefed you

2736
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:54,790
they give you the truth not the

2737
01:46:58,680 --> 01:46:57,250
disinformation or all the crap they give

2738
01:47:00,840 --> 01:46:58,690
you the real truth so that was the

2739
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:00,850
question and the rumor was that he had

2740
01:47:04,110 --> 01:47:02,650
he had been read in and because he was

2741
01:47:05,970 --> 01:47:04,120
chief of staff under the Ford

2742
01:47:07,170 --> 01:47:05,980
administration he was Secretary of

2743
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:07,180
Defense under the Bush senior

2744
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:08,890
administration and now he's the vice

2745
01:47:12,030 --> 01:47:10,090
president so he's had a number of

2746
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,040
high-ranking jobs so the question I

2747
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:13,840
asked I said mr. Cheney it's rumored

2748
01:47:18,330 --> 01:47:15,610
that you've been read into the UFO

2749
01:47:20,850 --> 01:47:18,340
program my question for you is have you

2750
01:47:22,890 --> 01:47:20,860
ever been in all your jobs in government

2751
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:22,900
have you ever been briefed on the

2752
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:25,810
subject of UFOs if so when was it and

2753
01:47:30,630 --> 01:47:28,090
what were you told they cut me off at in

2754
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:30,640
here until I the the audio it's April 11

2755
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:31,450
2001

2756
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:33,850
I heard the went to the archives and

2757
01:47:38,130 --> 01:47:35,650
listened to the audio and the answer he

2758
01:47:40,500 --> 01:47:38,140
gave is if I had been briefed on that

2759
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:40,510
subject it would probably be classified

2760
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:42,310
and I wouldn't be talking about it and

2761
01:47:47,370 --> 01:47:44,650
then Guyana rain steps in and she's I

2762
01:47:49,500 --> 01:47:47,380
guess taken aback and she says well mr.

2763
01:47:51,180 --> 01:47:49,510
vice president have you had any meetings

2764
01:47:52,860 --> 01:47:51,190
on UFOs since you got into the White

2765
01:47:54,060 --> 01:47:52,870
House and by then he sort of caught his

2766
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:54,070
footing because he didn't expect the

2767
01:47:57,330 --> 01:47:55,450
question I'm pretty sure he's got his

2768
01:47:58,650 --> 01:47:57,340
footing and he said no I've had no UFO

2769
01:48:01,500 --> 01:47:58,660
meeting since I got into the White House

2770
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:01,510
so that was the whole thing and it was

2771
01:48:06,810 --> 01:48:04,330
used effectively later on when we came

2772
01:48:09,180 --> 01:48:06,820
across the 2005

2773
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:09,190
or campaign to ask the question and so

2774
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:12,690
when the 2004 campaign was on I we knew

2775
01:48:18,660 --> 01:48:17,170
Admiral no General Wesley Clark had was

2776
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:18,670
campaigning he was on the top of the

2777
01:48:21,649 --> 01:48:20,290
Democratic ticket at one time he was

2778
01:48:24,330 --> 01:48:21,659
leading

2779
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:24,340
okay in New Hampshire and he starts

2780
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,570
talking about the fact that he believes

2781
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:27,280
we can go past the speed of light he's a

2782
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:30,400
four-star general so david rudy act

2783
01:48:35,490 --> 01:48:32,320
finally asked him the question nobody

2784
01:48:37,709 --> 01:48:35,500
would ask the question mutual UFO people

2785
01:48:38,819 --> 01:48:37,719
state directors nobody would ask some

2786
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:38,829
question they said well we don't

2787
01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:40,570
embarrass him I said well we don't want

2788
01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:42,190
to embarrass the guy I mean why we're

2789
01:48:44,370 --> 01:48:43,420
gonna expect somebody else to ask the

2790
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,380
question we've been asking the question

2791
01:48:47,879 --> 01:48:46,239
David really I asked him he said mr.

2792
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:47,889
general have you ever been briefed on a

2793
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:50,560
subject of UFOs and he said oh I know

2794
01:48:53,700 --> 01:48:52,570
some in fact I'm going to Roswell

2795
01:48:55,740 --> 01:48:53,710
tomorrow this is right at the end of the

2796
01:48:58,290 --> 01:48:55,750
campaign and he said so you were briefed

2797
01:49:00,600 --> 01:48:58,300
and he said we've got problems with the

2798
01:49:02,010 --> 01:49:00,610
mathematic and so this is the type of

2799
01:49:06,859 --> 01:49:02,020
thing that I say that people should use

2800
01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:09,060
sounds like he was trying to cover up

2801
01:49:19,649 --> 01:49:17,220
sure but I realized that but I'm saying

2802
01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:19,659
he was trying to kind of divert the

2803
01:49:22,890 --> 01:49:21,369
attention let me ask you a question

2804
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:22,900
which occurs to me because we don't know

2805
01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:25,449
much about grand Cameron so I'm gonna

2806
01:49:29,399 --> 01:49:27,460
ask you the obvious question here you're

2807
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,409
looking into possible disinformation and

2808
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:31,119
I've asked this of other people one of

2809
01:49:36,180 --> 01:49:33,489
whom cut me off his mailing list after

2810
01:49:38,430 --> 01:49:36,190
he got this question and will not answer

2811
01:49:40,859 --> 01:49:38,440
my email by the way that's James Carey

2812
01:49:44,010 --> 01:49:40,869
I'm the former head of mutual UFO

2813
01:49:47,050 --> 01:49:44,020
network ok so here's the question are

2814
01:49:49,459 --> 01:49:47,060
you a disinformation agent about UFOs

2815
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,469
[Laughter]

2816
01:49:53,879 --> 01:49:51,760
folks I'm a Canadian who would tell me

2817
01:49:55,229 --> 01:49:53,889
anything I'm a Canadian I mean I don't

2818
01:49:57,359 --> 01:49:55,239
have any insight that's what I said

2819
01:50:00,450 --> 01:49:57,369
about John Alexander I mean I was able

2820
01:50:02,580 --> 01:50:00,460
to get to Cheney keeps he's saying well

2821
01:50:04,020 --> 01:50:02,590
you know he you know these people he

2822
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:04,030
couldn't get any answers from anybody

2823
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:06,250
every denied it and I said I mean come

2824
01:50:10,410 --> 01:50:08,290
on I'm gonna pay and I have no security

2825
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:10,420
clearances I have no access was denied

2826
01:50:15,419 --> 01:50:12,159
access the United States at one point I

2827
01:50:17,770 --> 01:50:15,429
mean about that it would be great if you

2828
01:50:20,260 --> 01:50:17,780
could give us a you know a blow-by-blow

2829
01:50:22,180 --> 01:50:20,270
I went to but continued so I'm able to

2830
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:22,190
get this this kind of stuff I died I'm

2831
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:24,110
actually disappointed at some points

2832
01:50:28,210 --> 01:50:26,090
because everybody gets these documents

2833
01:50:30,340 --> 01:50:28,220
and I've only been leaked one document

2834
01:50:32,410 --> 01:50:30,350
and that was a document with the John

2835
01:50:34,090 --> 01:50:32,420
Alexander's group I'm kind of

2836
01:50:35,140 --> 01:50:34,100
disappointed that nobody ever leaks me

2837
01:50:36,370 --> 01:50:35,150
anything it's sort of like appear

2838
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:36,380
significant if you've done something

2839
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:38,210
like more brings out the Roswell thing

2840
01:50:40,990 --> 01:50:39,650
anybody approaches you with documents

2841
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:41,000
and stuff and I always figured well

2842
01:50:44,020 --> 01:50:42,530
maybe I'm not getting anywhere because

2843
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:44,030
nobody's come to try to give me

2844
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:45,920
information I've never been sort of

2845
01:50:50,230 --> 01:50:48,110
approached and said you know I've got

2846
01:50:53,950 --> 01:50:50,240
these secret documents but I don't like

2847
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:53,960
you I'm not doing any significant nobody

2848
01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:56,000
really cares what I say but if you're if

2849
01:51:00,820 --> 01:50:58,610
you're Linda Howe and you get you get

2850
01:51:02,980 --> 01:51:00,830
this sort of thing about cattle

2851
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:02,990
mutilations it suddenly goes viral back

2852
01:51:06,970 --> 01:51:05,570
in the 80s MTV and sudden they come to

2853
01:51:08,860 --> 01:51:06,980
her and say oh you're working on this

2854
01:51:10,420 --> 01:51:08,870
HBO documentary let us help you we're

2855
01:51:12,010 --> 01:51:10,430
going to give you some footage from a

2856
01:51:14,500 --> 01:51:12,020
landing at Holloman Air Force Base and

2857
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:14,510
absolutely Shafter around and till she

2858
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:16,370
loses a documentary I mean I've never

2859
01:51:21,730 --> 01:51:19,520
had this sort of indirect contact by

2860
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:21,740
intelligence people offering to tell me

2861
01:51:24,730 --> 01:51:22,850
stuff I never had that experience

2862
01:51:27,220 --> 01:51:24,740
alright you're Canadian what is your

2863
01:51:29,710 --> 01:51:27,230
background do you have a day job I'm

2864
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:29,720
retired now I just play stock market I

2865
01:51:34,830 --> 01:51:31,370
was a facility manager at the University

2866
01:51:38,590 --> 01:51:34,840
of Manitoba really nothing that had any

2867
01:51:41,530 --> 01:51:38,600
connection to UFOs basically attended

2868
01:51:45,460 --> 01:51:41,540
University and the UFO sighting started

2869
01:51:47,590 --> 01:51:45,470
in 75 I got involved basically quit

2870
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:47,600
University and figured this is what I

2871
01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:50,480
got to do and spent years out in this

2872
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:52,910
field doing the sighting stuff writing

2873
01:51:58,060 --> 01:51:54,650
the manuscript and went from there and

2874
01:52:00,670 --> 01:51:58,070
just my jobs and now that's all I do is

2875
01:52:03,340 --> 01:52:00,680
UFOs I go to most of the conferences now

2876
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:03,350
and I've got enough money that I can

2877
01:52:07,690 --> 01:52:05,840
sort of play the game for real because

2878
01:52:11,110 --> 01:52:07,700
that's where I think it takes it takes a

2879
01:52:12,820 --> 01:52:11,120
lot of time it takes some serious effort

2880
01:52:14,380 --> 01:52:12,830
trying to get to the bottom of things so

2881
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,390
I tried to make enough money and I

2882
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:16,400
managed to make some money and now I can

2883
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:19,520
play the game full-time okay so it's

2884
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:25,040
marketing you're lucky let's let's uh

2885
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:28,970
let's hear about your misadventure at

2886
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:30,690
one point there a number

2887
01:52:33,380 --> 01:52:31,770
years ago when you were trying to get

2888
01:52:34,939 --> 01:52:33,390
into the United States I believed that

2889
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:34,949
you were gonna present at a conference

2890
01:52:41,810 --> 01:52:37,850
and and you ran into some problems with

2891
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:41,820
what we now refer to as the TSA or the

2892
01:52:44,780 --> 01:52:42,810
Transportation Safety Administration

2893
01:52:46,250 --> 01:52:44,790
once you talk about that Homeland

2894
01:52:48,890 --> 01:52:46,260
Security I'm sex you got to hang it up

2895
01:52:51,979 --> 01:52:48,900
on my wall here and that's my denial a a

2896
01:52:53,959 --> 01:52:51,989
hang up on my wall what had happened was

2897
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:53,969
I was giving a lecture the sixty-four

2898
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,410
reasons why the government is not going

2899
01:53:01,010 --> 01:52:57,840
to tell you what's going on and I was

2900
01:53:02,780 --> 01:53:01,020
going to give it in Los Angeles and I

2901
01:53:05,689 --> 01:53:02,790
took the flight the went through

2902
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:05,699
Vancouver Canada and then it would link

2903
01:53:10,939 --> 01:53:08,760
there down to Los Angeles and I say

2904
01:53:12,290 --> 01:53:10,949
people make more of it than what it is I

2905
01:53:15,380 --> 01:53:12,300
think it was just a guy havin a bad day

2906
01:53:18,860 --> 01:53:15,390
but I was in Vancouver and Vancouver is

2907
01:53:21,709 --> 01:53:18,870
where the Air India jet left that was

2908
01:53:23,870 --> 01:53:21,719
blown up by the the Sikh extremists

2909
01:53:27,170 --> 01:53:23,880
there last like 400 people or whatever

2910
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:27,180
so it's a very high secure Airport and I

2911
01:53:33,890 --> 01:53:29,280
went through there and basically I'm

2912
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,900
very honest I told the u.s. immigration

2913
01:53:38,300 --> 01:53:36,000
official exactly what's going on I'm

2914
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:38,310
lecturing here here's the pamphlet this

2915
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:41,760
is my honorarium $150 and she said okay

2916
01:53:45,110 --> 01:53:43,440
fine you know and whatever and gives me

2917
01:53:48,290 --> 01:53:45,120
a piece of paper and go to this room and

2918
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:48,300
then the guy said well you can't you

2919
01:53:51,050 --> 01:53:49,710
can't lecture in the States that's yeah

2920
01:53:53,150 --> 01:53:51,060
I mean that's you drop a green card and

2921
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:53,160
I said well I mean I've been doing it

2922
01:53:57,470 --> 01:53:55,050
three years I mean what's you know it's

2923
01:53:59,840 --> 01:53:57,480
like a 150 dollar area I said professors

2924
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:59,850
go down and and lecture in the United

2925
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:00,960
States all the time and you said you're

2926
01:54:05,150 --> 01:54:02,730
not a professor don't even go there and

2927
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:05,160
I said what but it-it's no I mean I've

2928
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never had trouble going across the

2929
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lecture and you said well we'll make

2930
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sure that doesn't happen again and then

2931
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he asked all the questions whatever and

2932
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:13,500
then he disappeared for a couple minutes

2933
01:54:17,090 --> 01:54:15,360
and he came back and he has big gave me

2934
01:54:19,580 --> 01:54:17,100
the sheet Homeland Security is in

2935
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refused entry the United States you're

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lecturing at an event where they're

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collecting money you're receiving money

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in exchange for this you don't have a

2939
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work permit and you refuse to enter the

2940
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United States

2941
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so you handed this paper over and I said

2942
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and he started talking to some guy he's

2943
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he's laughing he's talking to some guy

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and I waited for him and I said well

2945
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what do I do know I ain't say I don't

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care what you do go back where you came

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from

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now like holy cow so I just sort of

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wandered out of this room

2950
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in the middle of this banquet was a huge

2951
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airport I had no idea where I was in the

2952
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airport and I went out into some guy sit

2953
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at a desk I said well you know burn

2954
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fuses enter the United States I got to

2955
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,300
get back to back onto an Air Canada

2956
01:55:01,370 --> 01:54:59,280
flight to get home and I said well how

2957
01:55:02,569 --> 01:55:01,380
do I get back and he said I don't know I

2958
01:55:04,129 --> 01:55:02,579
guess you get on the elevator and he

2959
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opened the elevator for me and I went

2960
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down and Pitts out into this huge

2961
01:55:09,890 --> 01:55:08,039
Airport and that was it and then what

2962
01:55:12,199 --> 01:55:09,900
had happened it was really kind of a odd

2963
01:55:13,459 --> 01:55:12,209
thing I I was going to security trying

2964
01:55:15,229 --> 01:55:13,469
to get on the Air Canada plane and

2965
01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:15,239
suddenly I get pulled for a second time

2966
01:55:19,790 --> 01:55:17,670
in the guy says Mr Cameron your computer

2967
01:55:23,060 --> 01:55:19,800
has come up positive for explosives and

2968
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:23,070
I get more of this okay let's leave this

2969
01:55:27,410 --> 01:55:25,199
explosive comment where it is until we

2970
01:55:30,049 --> 01:55:27,420
get to the next segment Wow grand

2971
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Cameron joining us I'm gene Steinberg

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your personal finances is there a way to

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if you had $100,000 in cash and a

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silver back in 1913 and kept them until

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now your cash would have the buying

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at forum dot the para cast comm we

3075
02:00:21,950 --> 02:00:19,559
return grande Cameron is our guest he's

3076
02:00:25,669 --> 02:00:21,960
telling us of his encounter in Vancouver

3077
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:25,679
at the airport about being on some kind

3078
02:00:30,979 --> 02:00:28,050
of watch list possibly because of

3079
02:00:32,930 --> 02:00:30,989
potential explosives Chris O'Brien's the

3080
02:00:35,660 --> 02:00:32,940
co-host I'm Jean Steinberg we continue

3081
02:00:37,790 --> 02:00:35,670
with the para cast grant please explain

3082
02:00:39,169 --> 02:00:37,800
well and again is where I think it came

3083
02:00:41,839 --> 02:00:39,179
down to it Air India saying they do a

3084
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:41,849
lot of tests for explosives and what

3085
02:00:46,370 --> 02:00:43,920
they had done is that my computer they

3086
02:00:47,930 --> 02:00:46,380
had pulled my computer and they've done

3087
02:00:49,910 --> 02:00:47,940
a test with a little swab or whatever

3088
02:00:51,979 --> 02:00:49,920
and it came up positive for explosives

3089
02:00:53,719 --> 02:00:51,989
so then it went the same thing and then

3090
02:00:54,739 --> 02:00:53,729
I got 15 minutes to make the flight and

3091
02:00:56,299 --> 02:00:54,749
they start going through the questions

3092
02:00:58,370 --> 02:00:56,309
and there's people all gathered around

3093
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,380
me all these agents and whoever they

3094
02:01:02,509 --> 02:01:00,960
were and question this one was talk to

3095
02:01:04,279 --> 02:01:02,519
me fix explosives and I was like I'm

3096
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:04,289
going this is unbelievable this is like

3097
02:01:08,689 --> 02:01:06,210
I was just like the conspiracy thing in

3098
02:01:09,589 --> 02:01:08,699
my head was going then would occur to me

3099
02:01:11,719 --> 02:01:09,599
what would happen I have a Dell computer

3100
02:01:13,759 --> 02:01:11,729
and I had the hard drive replaced about

3101
02:01:15,919 --> 02:01:13,769
four days before and I had shipped it

3102
02:01:17,419 --> 02:01:15,929
off to Dell to have the hard drive

3103
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:17,429
replaced and I think what they had done

3104
02:01:21,410 --> 02:01:19,530
is they clean the the thing was with

3105
02:01:23,239 --> 02:01:21,420
solvents or whatever and when I

3106
02:01:25,129 --> 02:01:23,249
mentioned that then they just sort of

3107
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:25,139
said okay you know and they give me my

3108
02:01:29,689 --> 02:01:27,570
computer and off I went and I was given

3109
02:01:31,129 --> 02:01:29,699
a sort of indirect message for something

3110
02:01:33,259 --> 02:01:31,139
ever was that I would be on a watch list

3111
02:01:35,299 --> 02:01:33,269
for two years which is exactly what

3112
02:01:38,689 --> 02:01:35,309
happened for two years every time I went

3113
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:38,699
into the United States I was pulled you

3114
02:01:41,660 --> 02:01:39,840
know guy would say you know if you were

3115
02:01:42,859 --> 02:01:41,670
in a u.s. immigrations yeah well that's

3116
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:42,869
good y'all know where to park and it was

3117
02:01:47,089 --> 02:01:45,360
like every time and I would get pulled

3118
02:01:48,589 --> 02:01:47,099
door number one door number two lock car

3119
02:01:49,939 --> 02:01:48,599
would be going through and I went out

3120
02:01:52,910 --> 02:01:49,949
for two years exactly what the guy said

3121
02:01:54,410 --> 02:01:52,920
and after two years it it stopped so now

3122
02:01:55,729 --> 02:01:54,420
I lecture quite a bit in the states I go

3123
02:01:57,890 --> 02:01:55,739
to the states but I don't accept any

3124
02:01:59,660 --> 02:01:57,900
honorarium so I just go well are my own

3125
02:02:01,460 --> 02:01:59,670
dime and

3126
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:01,470
though is right after the event you get

3127
02:02:05,990 --> 02:02:02,850
back home and then they send you the

3128
02:02:07,130 --> 02:02:06,000
check well be the point I mean that's

3129
02:02:08,780 --> 02:02:07,140
why we say people say well just say

3130
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:08,790
you're going on vacation but I say you

3131
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:10,530
know if I'm going to play the game and

3132
02:02:13,820 --> 02:02:12,570
be dishonest at the border why should

3133
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:13,830
you believe anything I tell you when I

3134
02:02:17,630 --> 02:02:15,930
come to lecture it has to be truthful I

3135
02:02:20,180 --> 02:02:17,640
have got enough money I don't need money

3136
02:02:21,830 --> 02:02:20,190
to to lecture so I just that's the way I

3137
02:02:23,210 --> 02:02:21,840
work it and I can feel confident at the

3138
02:02:24,530 --> 02:02:23,220
border because I go across the border

3139
02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:24,540
quite a bit I live right at the border

3140
02:02:28,370 --> 02:02:27,030
the incidents that happened when I had

3141
02:02:29,690 --> 02:02:28,380
the sightings are right at the border

3142
02:02:31,010 --> 02:02:29,700
that we have the Minuteman missile three

3143
02:02:33,140 --> 02:02:31,020
missile silos that's where all the

3144
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:33,150
sightings took place so we go back and

3145
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:34,530
forth across the border all the time and

3146
02:02:38,780 --> 02:02:37,290
it's always very unnerving when you're

3147
02:02:40,610 --> 02:02:38,790
going to the border they always treat

3148
02:02:41,810 --> 02:02:40,620
you like you're like a criminal and you

3149
02:02:44,030 --> 02:02:41,820
know you don't want to give anything

3150
02:02:45,770 --> 02:02:44,040
away so I just play the truth I play the

3151
02:02:48,020 --> 02:02:45,780
game I do I don't want to have to worry

3152
02:02:49,670 --> 02:02:48,030
about getting caught at anything so I

3153
02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:49,680
basically tell the truth and it saves

3154
02:02:52,490 --> 02:02:50,520
it's like a hundred fifty bucks

3155
02:02:53,990 --> 02:02:52,500
honorarium who cares I can get across

3156
02:02:57,470 --> 02:02:54,000
the border and not accept any money from

3157
02:03:00,260 --> 02:02:57,480
anybody I come across and yeah so far it

3158
02:03:03,020 --> 02:03:00,270
has not you know worked against me well

3159
02:03:05,450 --> 02:03:03,030
I'd like to sum up a little bit you're

3160
02:03:07,460 --> 02:03:05,460
thinking you know you have kind of

3161
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:07,470
suggested I think to to our listeners

3162
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:09,930
that we're seeing a gradual incremental

3163
02:03:15,260 --> 02:03:12,570
disclosure that's wrapped around in some

3164
02:03:18,830 --> 02:03:15,270
cases even absurdities other cases more

3165
02:03:20,300 --> 02:03:18,840
more believable disinformation what do

3166
02:03:22,610 --> 02:03:20,310
you think the endgame is here do you

3167
02:03:24,110 --> 02:03:22,620
think that there's some sort of

3168
02:03:26,180 --> 02:03:24,120
involvement by the military-industrial

3169
02:03:28,850 --> 02:03:26,190
complex of the private sector let's say

3170
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:28,860
and perhaps a lot of these secrets that

3171
02:03:34,010 --> 02:03:31,110
Stephen Bassett and Alfred Weber and

3172
02:03:36,830 --> 02:03:34,020
others want disclosed or actually in the

3173
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:36,840
hands of the private sector do have any

3174
02:03:41,510 --> 02:03:39,570
sort of inkling where the separation

3175
02:03:44,660 --> 02:03:41,520
between government and the private

3176
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,670
sector lies okay it's big question I

3177
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:46,800
think they're the private sector is

3178
02:03:50,450 --> 02:03:47,730
involved

3179
02:03:52,010 --> 02:03:50,460
John Alexander's special access this

3180
02:03:54,500 --> 02:03:52,020
group that they had the top secret group

3181
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:54,510
one of the items that they were

3182
02:03:59,420 --> 02:03:56,850
discussing was this Bobby arraignment

3183
02:04:01,790 --> 02:03:59,430
giant engineering program headed up by

3184
02:04:03,050 --> 02:04:01,800
Bobby Ray Inman so they were looking at

3185
02:04:04,580 --> 02:04:03,060
that remember I don't know where they

3186
02:04:07,010 --> 02:04:04,590
got because I just got the notes just

3187
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:07,020
had it on the agenda so I think the

3188
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:09,450
military-industrial complex is involved

3189
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:11,760
the back engineering is going on and I

3190
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:13,170
bring up some of the examples in the

3191
02:04:15,200 --> 02:04:13,530
John

3192
02:04:16,970 --> 02:04:15,210
general article where where there is

3193
02:04:19,180 --> 02:04:16,980
actually technology sort of being

3194
02:04:22,190 --> 02:04:19,190
developed by people trying to think here

3195
02:04:25,010 --> 02:04:22,200
III if you take a look at what Pandolfi

3196
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:25,020
says Pandolfi is in 1996 he started

3197
02:04:30,290 --> 02:04:28,290
talking about the fact that there's 200

3198
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:30,300
people who have been given the briefing

3199
02:04:34,190 --> 02:04:32,250
on the core story and the core story is

3200
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:34,200
basically the you know there are aliens

3201
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:35,970
here the government knows a little bit

3202
02:04:38,510 --> 02:04:37,920
we're working on it we've got a crash

3203
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:38,520
saucer

3204
02:04:45,620 --> 02:04:41,850
basic core story he says 200 he said all

3205
02:04:47,300 --> 02:04:45,630
flag officers in the Navy Navy

3206
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:47,310
intelligence and that's one of the

3207
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:49,290
things I think is is it's the Navy it's

3208
02:04:55,190 --> 02:04:52,530
running the show the Navy is the key

3209
02:04:57,290 --> 02:04:55,200
elements and under the Air Force Wilbur

3210
02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:57,300
Smith who ran the Caine government UFO

3211
02:05:01,100 --> 02:04:59,280
program in the early days when I was

3212
02:05:02,690 --> 02:05:01,110
around his people I was asking them

3213
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:02,700
because he would he had the top secret

3214
02:05:05,630 --> 02:05:04,050
memo was getting his material for the

3215
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:05,640
United States flying saucer just all

3216
02:05:08,630 --> 02:05:06,960
this different material he was getting

3217
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:08,640
and he put in his top-secret memo that

3218
02:05:11,930 --> 02:05:10,170
he gates the Kane government I was

3219
02:05:14,030 --> 02:05:11,940
asking his people well who is he had

3220
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:14,040
contact with the states who his things

3221
02:05:17,090 --> 02:05:15,330
and everybody told me the same thing

3222
02:05:19,310 --> 02:05:17,100
we're not actually sure but we're pretty

3223
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:19,320
sure with Navy people so he talked about

3224
02:05:23,210 --> 02:05:21,450
the Navy being involved that Dolphy

3225
02:05:24,860 --> 02:05:23,220
talks about the Navy bob lazar that

3226
02:05:27,020 --> 02:05:24,870
whole story suddenly he brings up the

3227
02:05:29,410 --> 02:05:27,030
Navy if you take a look at this UFO

3228
02:05:32,780 --> 02:05:29,420
cover-up live from Washington DC this

3229
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:32,790
1988 thing which involves the Falcon

3230
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:35,010
which is an interesting story the story

3231
02:05:39,170 --> 02:05:37,290
there is that the Navy is running the

3232
02:05:41,420 --> 02:05:39,180
show and one of the stories that sort of

3233
02:05:43,370 --> 02:05:41,430
backed up the fact that the Avery was

3234
02:05:45,140 --> 02:05:43,380
more the stuff that Bill Moore was

3235
02:05:48,260 --> 02:05:45,150
getting was more than disinformation is

3236
02:05:50,990 --> 02:05:48,270
that the Falcon we always claimed the

3237
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:51,000
Falcon was this dia guy and I know at

3238
02:05:54,350 --> 02:05:52,560
one time helped put off we're spinning

3239
02:05:57,320 --> 02:05:54,360
material for me because he was trying to

3240
02:05:59,390 --> 02:05:57,330
track this dia a connection with with

3241
02:05:59,750 --> 02:05:59,400
Bob wood they were trying to get this

3242
02:06:02,510 --> 02:05:59,760
thing

3243
02:06:04,430 --> 02:06:02,520
and during this UFO cover-up a live

3244
02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:04,440
thing where they had the Condor on the

3245
02:06:07,460 --> 02:06:06,450
Faulk and it back lighted they were

3246
02:06:09,290 --> 02:06:07,470
talking about the strawberry ice cream

3247
02:06:10,460 --> 02:06:09,300
and the aliens and all this kind of

3248
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:10,470
weird stuff this was supposed to been a

3249
02:06:15,500 --> 02:06:12,570
big disclosure thing and I know Billy

3250
02:06:18,380 --> 02:06:15,510
Cox was very close with Billy Cox then

3251
02:06:20,690 --> 02:06:18,390
and Billy Cox was watching it and he

3252
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:20,700
talked to bill Coleman bill Coleman had

3253
02:06:24,470 --> 02:06:22,560
said because he was on the set when this

3254
02:06:26,859 --> 02:06:24,480
when this thing was shot in Washington

3255
02:06:28,689 --> 02:06:26,869
and Bill Coleman said he

3256
02:06:31,870 --> 02:06:28,699
the Falcon and the Falcon was in the

3257
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:31,880
audience and he was shocked he could not

3258
02:06:36,250 --> 02:06:34,400
believe that this guy was involved in

3259
02:06:38,770 --> 02:06:36,260
the UFO phenomena so I said the only

3260
02:06:40,270 --> 02:06:38,780
cocksure said well or get Coleman to

3261
02:06:42,220 --> 02:06:40,280
tell you who it is Coleman would never

3262
02:06:43,750 --> 02:06:42,230
say who it was but right from the word

3263
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:43,760
go we knew it wasn't rich ability we

3264
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:44,690
knew that there was a high-level

3265
02:06:49,180 --> 02:06:47,690
official than an impressed Coleman the

3266
02:06:51,189 --> 02:06:49,190
Coleman was amazed that this guy was

3267
02:06:52,780 --> 02:06:51,199
involved in the UFO phenomena so this

3268
02:06:54,729 --> 02:06:52,790
stuff is coming from Washington it

3269
02:06:56,530 --> 02:06:54,739
wasn't coming from Dodie he wouldn't had

3270
02:06:58,240 --> 02:06:56,540
time and he was that smart a guy I dealt

3271
02:07:00,640 --> 02:06:58,250
with him at one point it wasn't that

3272
02:07:02,439 --> 02:07:00,650
smart a guy to put all this material

3273
02:07:04,030 --> 02:07:02,449
that was coming out in the nineties so

3274
02:07:05,890 --> 02:07:04,040
there were there was this this sort of

3275
02:07:08,290 --> 02:07:05,900
background that there were these people

3276
02:07:10,660 --> 02:07:08,300
if you look deep enough there was people

3277
02:07:12,189 --> 02:07:10,670
in the background who seemed to be

3278
02:07:14,500 --> 02:07:12,199
running the show and putting this

3279
02:07:18,100 --> 02:07:14,510
material out mm-hmm

3280
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:18,110
well that that just it's a it's a Hall

3281
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:20,800
of Mirrors with a quicksand floor and

3282
02:07:27,129 --> 02:07:23,449
there as soon as you think you've opened

3283
02:07:34,689 --> 02:07:27,139
up a can of worms and maybe have some

3284
02:07:37,330 --> 02:07:34,699
nice fat night crawlers in it document

3285
02:07:38,649 --> 02:07:37,340
there's document saying that there's no

3286
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:38,659
legitimate documents but there are

3287
02:07:43,359 --> 02:07:41,840
documents that do tell you stuff your

3288
02:07:45,399 --> 02:07:43,369
listeners may not be feel about this

3289
02:07:47,229 --> 02:07:45,409
documentary that I see is a key story

3290
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:47,239
one of the key stories in ethology

3291
02:07:51,250 --> 02:07:49,760
is the bob and Egger story with the

3292
02:07:53,410 --> 02:07:51,260
documentary where he's called a mother

3293
02:07:54,970 --> 02:07:53,420
by the military and talks to all the

3294
02:07:59,410 --> 02:07:54,980
Bluebook officials and puts all his

3295
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,420
material out and he is given a document

3296
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:01,760
in his book he breaks the book UFOs past

3297
02:08:06,669 --> 02:08:03,530
president Kuchar there is a document

3298
02:08:09,339 --> 02:08:06,679
that refers to this 1959 psychic

3299
02:08:11,169 --> 02:08:09,349
incident with Frances Swann Frances Wan

3300
02:08:14,379 --> 02:08:11,179
was the last of the sort of big

3301
02:08:16,060 --> 02:08:14,389
contactees in 1950 she was being watched

3302
02:08:18,280 --> 02:08:16,070
by the Qing government was investigating

3303
02:08:21,430 --> 02:08:18,290
her Navy intelligence was investigating

3304
02:08:23,140 --> 02:08:21,440
her FBI has documents on her CIA is

3305
02:08:25,629 --> 02:08:23,150
involved with her and there is a file

3306
02:08:27,609 --> 02:08:25,639
that at Secret Service on her okay let's

3307
02:08:29,709 --> 02:08:27,619
get into the story in a moment here we

3308
02:08:31,839 --> 02:08:29,719
have grand Cameron I'm gene Steinberg

3309
02:08:36,020 --> 02:08:31,849
the co-host is Chris O'Brien you're in

3310
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3311
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3312
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3313
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3415
02:12:59,000 --> 02:12:56,610
this is hilly roads I told you to listen

3416
02:13:05,810 --> 02:12:59,010
to in the para caste because you will

3417
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:05,820
learn a great deal paranormal we're back

3418
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with grande Cameron on the para casts

3419
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with keen and Chris we've only got two

3420
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segments left and now you're talking

3421
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about this contactee as you say perhaps

3422
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the last big contactee of the 1950's

3423
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:20,970
what happened okay so Bob has this puts

3424
02:13:25,340 --> 02:13:23,280
this what's called a memorandum for the

3425
02:13:27,380 --> 02:13:25,350
record in his book leaves all the names

3426
02:13:30,170 --> 02:13:27,390
out of it and basically it's the story

3427
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:30,180
of the fact that Navy intelligence gets

3428
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interested in this woman 1954 they go to

3429
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:34,110
her she teaches them how to do this

3430
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channeling the one Navy intelligence

3431
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officer was racing back to the CIA the

3432
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:39,690
National photographic interpretation

3433
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center where they analyzed all they all

3434
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:44,130
the spy photographs and stuff like that

3435
02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:47,130
art lund all runs the the building

3436
02:13:51,020 --> 02:13:48,960
he's interest in UFOs he civically sit

3437
02:13:52,670 --> 02:13:51,030
down go into the trance they go into the

3438
02:13:55,790 --> 02:13:52,680
trance they're talking to this alien by

3439
02:13:56,990 --> 02:13:55,800
name of alpha and Artland all says okay

3440
02:13:59,870 --> 02:13:57,000
we want you to prove our to prove

3441
02:14:02,090 --> 02:13:59,880
yourself after says how show yourself

3442
02:14:03,860 --> 02:14:02,100
analysis go to the window and they go to

3443
02:14:06,380 --> 02:14:03,870
the window and this flying saucer flies

3444
02:14:08,030 --> 02:14:06,390
by daylight washington DC over top of

3445
02:14:10,580 --> 02:14:08,040
the Capitol okay so anyway they have

3446
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:10,590
this memo art Lundell and Emma Nagar

3447
02:14:15,980 --> 02:14:12,890
talks to lund all during the filming in

3448
02:14:16,250 --> 02:14:15,990
1970s our Londo says yes he wrote the

3449
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:16,260
memo

3450
02:14:19,340 --> 02:14:18,210
okay so Bob's got in his book so I'm

3451
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:19,350
going to Bob and saying where's the memo

3452
02:14:22,670 --> 02:14:20,970
where's this memo you've got in your

3453
02:14:24,260 --> 02:14:22,680
book and he said well you know I don't

3454
02:14:26,540 --> 02:14:24,270
know where I got it from and all this

3455
02:14:28,460 --> 02:14:26,550
our stuff so Eric Davis who is the

3456
02:14:31,010 --> 02:14:28,470
physicist at mids is working on this

3457
02:14:32,450 --> 02:14:31,020
thing with me and suddenly I put the

3458
02:14:34,970 --> 02:14:32,460
story up and all the source stuff he

3459
02:14:37,190 --> 02:14:34,980
says okay you're gonna get the memo the

3460
02:14:39,230 --> 02:14:37,200
memo comes to me from Jacques ballet

3461
02:14:41,270 --> 02:14:39,240
Jacques valet says okay you got story up

3462
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:41,280
on your website here's the memo and the

3463
02:14:46,730 --> 02:14:44,010
memo but it's not the actual memo the

3464
02:14:49,820 --> 02:14:46,740
CIA memo typed it's handwritten the

3465
02:14:52,340 --> 02:14:49,830
story is that art Lundell the CIA guy

3466
02:14:54,200 --> 02:14:52,350
had written a memo gave it to friend at

3467
02:14:56,060 --> 02:14:54,210
the Air Force at wright-patterson Air

3468
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:56,070
Force Base was sitting on his desk jail

3469
02:15:00,140 --> 02:14:57,840
and Hynek looked at the mammal realized

3470
02:15:02,450 --> 02:15:00,150
the significance of a memo and hand

3471
02:15:05,180 --> 02:15:02,460
copied the entire memo with 11 pages in

3472
02:15:06,889 --> 02:15:05,190
jail and annex handwriting and he gives

3473
02:15:08,899 --> 02:15:06,899
it to jock ballet and after

3474
02:15:10,699 --> 02:15:08,909
put the story on the the internet

3475
02:15:12,379 --> 02:15:10,709
Jacques de l'Est says here's the

3476
02:15:14,209 --> 02:15:12,389
document you can put it on your website

3477
02:15:15,709 --> 02:15:14,219
I put it up on my site it's got a little

3478
02:15:18,109 --> 02:15:15,719
names got everything here's this

3479
02:15:20,299 --> 02:15:18,119
document which fill class I went to see

3480
02:15:22,669 --> 02:15:20,309
fill classes files a couple of times in

3481
02:15:24,770 --> 02:15:22,679
the last month I went to see fill class

3482
02:15:27,529 --> 02:15:24,780
and this is a quote with fill classes

3483
02:15:29,330 --> 02:15:27,539
about this fill class is is looking at

3484
02:15:31,759 --> 02:15:29,340
this cases he's got a huge file on this

3485
02:15:34,699 --> 02:15:31,769
thing and fill class has heavens he's

3486
02:15:36,139 --> 02:15:34,709
talking to Jacobs who was David Jacobs

3487
02:15:38,359 --> 02:15:36,149
who's working with Emma Nagar on the

3488
02:15:40,369 --> 02:15:38,369
documentary he says heavens this should

3489
02:15:42,409 --> 02:15:40,379
rank as one of the most credible one of

3490
02:15:42,919 --> 02:15:42,419
the most impressive UFO incidents of all

3491
02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:42,929
times

3492
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:45,209
if the memorandum for the record is a

3493
02:15:50,270 --> 02:15:47,280
legitimate account of events that

3494
02:15:52,159 --> 02:15:50,280
transcribe as it transpired the thing is

3495
02:15:55,399 --> 02:15:52,169
we don't have the actual mental we got a

3496
02:15:57,020 --> 02:15:55,409
copy written by GL and Hynek so you get

3497
02:15:58,429 --> 02:15:57,030
the document but it's not the real

3498
02:16:00,259 --> 02:15:58,439
document it's not something you can go

3499
02:16:02,839 --> 02:16:00,269
to New York Times to the Washington Post

3500
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:02,849
and say here's the document go with it

3501
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:07,199
there's always like the this sort of you

3502
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:09,840
know moving and and plausible

3503
02:16:14,959 --> 02:16:13,050
deniability yeah but even when you get

3504
02:16:17,449 --> 02:16:14,969
legitimate documents nothing happens

3505
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:17,459
which happened with the I got a thousand

3506
02:16:23,179 --> 02:16:20,010
pages from the Clinton Library in 2001

3507
02:16:25,250 --> 02:16:23,189
two of the documents refer to Hillary

3508
02:16:27,169 --> 02:16:25,260
Clinton's involvement UFOs and the one

3509
02:16:30,469 --> 02:16:27,179
document clearly states that she was

3510
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:30,479
helping to edit a document on UFO

3511
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:32,250
disclosure to the president she was

3512
02:16:36,859 --> 02:16:33,599
helping the Laurance Rockefeller edit

3513
02:16:38,030 --> 02:16:36,869
this so when I filed all the prima facie

3514
02:16:39,919 --> 02:16:38,040
nak requests because I knew how the

3515
02:16:41,899 --> 02:16:39,929
other thing worked with the Presidential

3516
02:16:43,939 --> 02:16:41,909
Library five years after the president

3517
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:43,949
leaves office that's when the records

3518
02:16:47,719 --> 02:16:46,170
start to be released first come first

3519
02:16:51,139 --> 02:16:47,729
serve so I had 100 pre Information Act

3520
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:51,149
requests in so when the first nineteen

3521
02:16:56,660 --> 02:16:53,369
fo A's are released by the Clinton

3522
02:16:58,490 --> 02:16:56,670
Library eleven of them are UFO all my my

3523
02:17:01,809 --> 02:16:58,500
free deformation Act request so suddenly

3524
02:17:03,950 --> 02:17:01,819
everybody is on this story why are the

3525
02:17:05,629 --> 02:17:03,960
Clintons releasing all these UFO

3526
02:17:07,219 --> 02:17:05,639
documents every is waiting for Hillary's

3527
02:17:09,049 --> 02:17:07,229
records because she's running for

3528
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:09,059
president there's a waste of time one of

3529
02:17:13,189 --> 02:17:11,010
these UFO documents so I'm starting to

3530
02:17:14,570 --> 02:17:13,199
get I get calls from Fox Washington Post

3531
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:14,580
talked to me for an hour and a quarter

3532
02:17:19,399 --> 02:17:16,889
Associated Press all that everybody was

3533
02:17:21,339 --> 02:17:19,409
wanting to know about why I had these

3534
02:17:23,290 --> 02:17:21,349
UFO documents what was in Israel

3535
02:17:25,179 --> 02:17:23,300
I sent every one of these major people

3536
02:17:27,459 --> 02:17:25,189
these two documents on Hillary Clinton

3537
02:17:29,559 --> 02:17:27,469
and said Hillary's running for president

3538
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:29,569
here are two UFO documents that clearly

3539
02:17:34,330 --> 02:17:32,000
shows that she had an interest and

3540
02:17:35,979 --> 02:17:34,340
involvement in UFOs and nobody did a

3541
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,989
thing with those documents and that was

3542
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:37,519
the top people Washington Post I was

3543
02:17:41,259 --> 02:17:39,710
shocked there was two long interviews it

3544
02:17:42,639 --> 02:17:41,269
was an hour and a quarter between the

3545
02:17:44,259 --> 02:17:42,649
two interviews asking all these

3546
02:17:45,790 --> 02:17:44,269
questions nothing they did nothing with

3547
02:17:48,009 --> 02:17:45,800
the documents so even when you get

3548
02:17:49,629 --> 02:17:48,019
legitimate documents nobody does

3549
02:17:53,139 --> 02:17:49,639
anything and John Alexander is right

3550
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:53,149
nobody really cares or it's a toxic

3551
02:17:56,889 --> 02:17:54,889
issue to an Indian its dogs really don't

3552
02:17:58,179 --> 02:17:56,899
want to do this well that would have

3553
02:18:00,399 --> 02:17:58,189
been the biggest story ever Hillary

3554
02:18:02,469 --> 02:18:00,409
Clinton running for president is into

3555
02:18:04,990 --> 02:18:02,479
UFOs but no we're not touching it for

3556
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:05,000
whatever reason well yeah in in you know

3557
02:18:08,530 --> 02:18:06,559
in the intervening years since her

3558
02:18:10,450 --> 02:18:08,540
involvement with the original

3559
02:18:13,299 --> 02:18:10,460
Rockefeller initiative and the

3560
02:18:15,939 --> 02:18:13,309
disclosure project Antonio who næss by

3561
02:18:18,189 --> 02:18:15,949
the way has a very good article on

3562
02:18:21,250 --> 02:18:18,199
Lawrence Rockefellers involvement in the

3563
02:18:24,219 --> 02:18:21,260
UFO issue peter stork and Don Berliner

3564
02:18:26,290 --> 02:18:24,229
and Antonio and even myself was helped

3565
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:26,300
by by Rockefeller he had an incredible

3566
02:18:29,919 --> 02:18:28,010
interest in the subject but nobody has

3567
02:18:32,769 --> 02:18:29,929
ever really put that down in one place

3568
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:32,779
and at the risk of sounding like I'm

3569
02:18:36,910 --> 02:18:35,599
promoting the open minds organization

3570
02:18:41,169 --> 02:18:36,920
there they do have a very excellent

3571
02:18:43,780 --> 02:18:41,179
magazine it was a great guy and a very

3572
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:43,790
good writer and his his involvement with

3573
02:18:47,979 --> 02:18:45,050
Rockefeller gives him an insider

3574
02:18:50,019 --> 02:18:47,989
perspective and he did a great job three

3575
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:50,029
I think issues ago in the open minds

3576
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:51,170
magazine and putting all this

3577
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:54,559
information down so by personally asked

3578
02:19:00,099 --> 02:18:57,290
Laurance Rockefeller about the extent of

3579
02:19:01,990 --> 02:19:00,109
government knowledge about UFOs whether

3580
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:02,000
there was ever going to be some sort of

3581
02:19:06,849 --> 02:19:04,329
disclosure process and he was he seemed

3582
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:06,859
legitimately and truly as in the dark as

3583
02:19:11,919 --> 02:19:09,889
everybody else and because he was highly

3584
02:19:14,049 --> 02:19:11,929
placed in influential and most

3585
02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:14,059
billionaires can get people to listen to

3586
02:19:18,250 --> 02:19:16,729
them generally he was really putting his

3587
02:19:21,069 --> 02:19:18,260
money where his mouth was and really

3588
02:19:23,169 --> 02:19:21,079
attempting in his very charming way to

3589
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:23,179
try to get to the bottom of this issue

3590
02:19:28,209 --> 02:19:25,760
no grant since 1975 you've obviously

3591
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:28,219
been up almost verging on obsession

3592
02:19:31,899 --> 02:19:29,689
you've had an incredible deep interest

3593
02:19:34,420 --> 02:19:31,909
in this subject how can you keep going

3594
02:19:35,770 --> 02:19:34,430
for so many years and and you know

3595
02:19:39,071 --> 02:19:35,780
you're giving us example after example

3596
02:19:41,500 --> 02:19:39,081
of hard work that's just not being it's

3597
02:19:43,510 --> 02:19:41,510
being tossed aside like people you know

3598
02:19:45,401 --> 02:19:43,520
I understand that the issue is toxic and

3599
02:19:47,111 --> 02:19:45,411
everything but what keeps you going I

3600
02:19:50,201 --> 02:19:47,121
mean are you still looking for that

3601
02:19:51,611 --> 02:19:50,211
smoking gun piece of documentation I'm

3602
02:19:53,741 --> 02:19:51,621
just very curious about your own

3603
02:19:55,421 --> 02:19:53,751
motivations about this because I mean

3604
02:19:57,401 --> 02:19:55,431
you're an unsung hero carrier you're

3605
02:20:00,821 --> 02:19:57,411
you're spending a lot of resources a lot

3606
02:20:03,100 --> 02:20:00,831
of time I mean I've done the research I

3607
02:20:06,161 --> 02:20:03,110
know how much work it is what keeps you

3608
02:20:07,571 --> 02:20:06,171
going yeah I I think it's part be served

3609
02:20:09,881 --> 02:20:07,581
to me it's always like a game that's why

3610
02:20:11,261 --> 02:20:09,891
I say when it comes to a theory to me

3611
02:20:13,810 --> 02:20:11,271
it's always like you're making a bet on

3612
02:20:16,301 --> 02:20:13,820
a stock or the roulette wheel is rolling

3613
02:20:19,381 --> 02:20:16,311
the balls rolling around and you got to

3614
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:19,391
make your bet you you you want to try to

3615
02:20:25,961 --> 02:20:22,490
get it and and figure it out because I

3616
02:20:27,791 --> 02:20:25,971
saw what I saw and I really wasn't

3617
02:20:29,531 --> 02:20:27,801
interested in in trying to prove to

3618
02:20:31,301 --> 02:20:29,541
myself or anybody that these things

3619
02:20:33,970 --> 02:20:31,311
exist but I knew that there was a very

3620
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:33,980
weird phenomena going on and I needed to

3621
02:20:37,361 --> 02:20:35,690
get the answer and some of the people

3622
02:20:38,801 --> 02:20:37,371
how did you know there was a weird

3623
02:20:40,121 --> 02:20:38,811
phenomenon going on and when they asked

3624
02:20:44,980 --> 02:20:40,131
you the very obvious question was this

3625
02:20:46,571 --> 02:20:44,990
because of your research interest I had

3626
02:20:48,671 --> 02:20:46,581
done some work at university on

3627
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:48,681
near-death studies which I really liked

3628
02:20:51,791 --> 02:20:50,240
John Alexander because he can't be

3629
02:20:53,350 --> 02:20:51,801
evolved about a guy he's a near-death

3630
02:20:55,301 --> 02:20:53,360
studies I was very interested in

3631
02:20:57,341 --> 02:20:55,311
near-death studies but hadn't can't ever

3632
02:20:58,961 --> 02:20:57,351
remember being interested in UFOs it was

3633
02:21:01,331 --> 02:20:58,971
just that there was this flop going on

3634
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:01,341
and the Vietnam War here just north of

3635
02:21:06,341 --> 02:21:03,110
the missile silos it was just it was

3636
02:21:08,201 --> 02:21:06,351
intense every day and it was something

3637
02:21:09,850 --> 02:21:08,211
where it was a newspaper and suddenly

3638
02:21:11,921 --> 02:21:09,860
the local TV station got this thing

3639
02:21:13,511 --> 02:21:11,931
jumping off the ground and it was just

3640
02:21:15,761 --> 02:21:13,521
it was like pandemonium everybody here

3641
02:21:16,930 --> 02:21:15,771
knew the story and I said well my

3642
02:21:18,791 --> 02:21:16,940
friends let's see whatever he's looking

3643
02:21:20,711 --> 02:21:18,801
at he's like I didn't know like what it

3644
02:21:22,151 --> 02:21:20,721
was gonna look like or whatever and I

3645
02:21:24,220 --> 02:21:22,161
remember we drove around for an hour in

3646
02:21:25,541 --> 02:21:24,230
of the town other town in you know and

3647
02:21:27,461 --> 02:21:25,551
it was like well you buy the lottery

3648
02:21:29,230 --> 02:21:27,471
ticket you think well you know probably

3649
02:21:30,430 --> 02:21:29,240
not gonna win and it's exactly I figured

3650
02:21:31,901 --> 02:21:30,440
after an hour figured like this is a

3651
02:21:33,131 --> 02:21:31,911
total waste of time everybody else sees

3652
02:21:35,980 --> 02:21:33,141
it of course it's not gonna show up and

3653
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:35,990
we come and it just it was instant and I

3654
02:21:39,581 --> 02:21:37,610
talked to people about there's

3655
02:21:41,230 --> 02:21:39,591
belief disbelief and then there's

3656
02:21:42,821 --> 02:21:41,240
knowing whether you believe this belief

3657
02:21:44,741 --> 02:21:42,831
who cares it doesn't really affect

3658
02:21:47,111 --> 02:21:44,751
reality only the people who've seen it

3659
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:47,121
know and remember we're looking at this

3660
02:21:49,630 --> 02:21:48,080
thing and it was

3661
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:49,640
it soon as this thing appeared another

3662
02:21:53,560 --> 02:21:52,010
car came bouncing up and down right in

3663
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:53,570
front of the car but a mile down the

3664
02:21:58,390 --> 02:21:56,960
road very very low pulsing red just the

3665
02:22:00,520 --> 02:21:58,400
weirdest thing I've ever seen my life

3666
02:22:01,810 --> 02:22:00,530
it wasn't like we'd been driving around

3667
02:22:02,770 --> 02:22:01,820
for hours saying well say what are you

3668
02:22:04,270 --> 02:22:02,780
looking at we're looking at stars

3669
02:22:05,710 --> 02:22:04,280
planets so I was looking at something

3670
02:22:07,660 --> 02:22:05,720
looking at we're trying to figure out as

3671
02:22:08,920 --> 02:22:07,670
soon as this thing appeared

3672
02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:08,930
everybody knows cars did the same thing

3673
02:22:12,700 --> 02:22:10,970
there it is it was like instantaneous

3674
02:22:14,590 --> 02:22:12,710
this is what everybody's talking about

3675
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:14,600
we didn't have to analyze well is this

3676
02:22:18,610 --> 02:22:16,370
what the UFO looks like or whatever it

3677
02:22:20,590 --> 02:22:18,620
was so strange it was so bizarre and

3678
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:20,600
then I had numerous other experiences

3679
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,640
which really bizarre Godse well we'll

3680
02:22:26,740 --> 02:22:24,800
get into the bizarre experiences of

3681
02:22:29,110 --> 02:22:26,750
grand Cameron and a few other things in

3682
02:22:30,430 --> 02:22:29,120
our final segment I'm gene Steinberg the

3683
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:30,440
co-host is Chris O'Brien

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3797
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power cast with Jean and Chris and he's

3798
02:27:19,410 --> 02:27:17,311
telling us he's had sightings

3799
02:27:21,270 --> 02:27:19,420
experiences galore you mentioned this

3800
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:21,280
one now I know we only have a few

3801
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:23,290
moments left and so much ground to cover

3802
02:27:27,810 --> 02:27:25,690
can you maybe highlight a few more of

3803
02:27:30,270 --> 02:27:27,820
your experiences that was the first one

3804
02:27:32,190 --> 02:27:30,280
there's only about four major ones that

3805
02:27:36,001 --> 02:27:32,200
I remember I had about a hundred the

3806
02:27:37,501 --> 02:27:36,011
main guy had about 150 in 1976 it's like

3807
02:27:39,660 --> 02:27:37,511
the CIA took the drugs out of the water

3808
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:39,670
it went away and nobody's had a sighting

3809
02:27:44,131 --> 02:27:41,920
in that town since second night I was

3810
02:27:45,450 --> 02:27:44,141
out I told all my friends I said this is

3811
02:27:46,770 --> 02:27:45,460
the most amazing thing you've ever seen

3812
02:27:48,780 --> 02:27:46,780
you got to come see this man I was just

3813
02:27:49,530 --> 02:27:48,790
like just crazy it just like a light

3814
02:27:51,270 --> 02:27:49,540
went off in my head

3815
02:27:53,310 --> 02:27:51,280
and I got all my friends I dragged him

3816
02:27:55,320 --> 02:27:53,320
out there and they sat there and they're

3817
02:27:56,910 --> 02:27:55,330
looking and we're sitting out in the

3818
02:27:58,140 --> 02:27:56,920
middle of nowhere and there's cars all

3819
02:27:59,820 --> 02:27:58,150
over the place I was trying to see this

3820
02:28:01,530 --> 02:27:59,830
thing from the city because I live in a

3821
02:28:03,780 --> 02:28:01,540
major city and this about 40 miles out

3822
02:28:04,890 --> 02:28:03,790
of the city and we're sitting there and

3823
02:28:07,410 --> 02:28:04,900
my friends I could still remember about

3824
02:28:10,261 --> 02:28:07,420
an hour later they said a camera and you

3825
02:28:12,421 --> 02:28:10,271
know it's like you're crazy that we were

3826
02:28:13,261 --> 02:28:12,431
going back I said no no you couldn't

3827
02:28:15,211 --> 02:28:13,271
believe my idea

3828
02:28:16,501 --> 02:28:15,221
and they said no I can so remember we're

3829
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:16,511
hungry we're going back to Winnipeg for

3830
02:28:18,929 --> 02:28:18,610
pizza and then all my buddies got in the

3831
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:18,939
car

3832
02:28:23,010 --> 02:28:20,800
off they went and we stopped in about 15

3833
02:28:24,809 --> 02:28:23,020
minutes later this it was called by some

3834
02:28:26,489 --> 02:28:24,819
people there the bouncing ping-pong ball

3835
02:28:28,139 --> 02:28:26,499
is I just think jumping around this guy

3836
02:28:30,389 --> 02:28:28,149
like a flash cute jumping around in the

3837
02:28:31,800 --> 02:28:30,399
sky and then it came right at us I got

3838
02:28:33,660 --> 02:28:31,810
closer it was the same as you've seen

3839
02:28:35,399 --> 02:28:33,670
the first night green glow on the back

3840
02:28:37,769 --> 02:28:35,409
came right at us and just sort of

3841
02:28:39,210 --> 02:28:37,779
hesitated I can remember the car beside

3842
02:28:40,979 --> 02:28:39,220
us there was a guy with a camera when

3843
02:28:42,420 --> 02:28:40,989
motor drives first came out and I can

3844
02:28:43,859 --> 02:28:42,430
still remember there's a girl couldn't

3845
02:28:46,139 --> 02:28:43,869
see it as it was bouncing around the sky

3846
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:46,149
she's crying people swearing yelling

3847
02:28:51,090 --> 02:28:49,600
this guy with his motor dies just

3848
02:28:53,519 --> 02:28:51,100
unloading the camera as his things

3849
02:28:55,620 --> 02:28:53,529
coming at us and that was a second night

3850
02:28:57,750 --> 02:28:55,630
then I started to go out like I just

3851
02:28:58,949 --> 02:28:57,760
basically my friends who were with me

3852
02:29:00,540 --> 02:28:58,959
just went on with their life like

3853
02:29:03,330 --> 02:29:00,550
nothing had happened and with me it was

3854
02:29:04,529 --> 02:29:03,340
like a simply an obsession somebody's

3855
02:29:05,609 --> 02:29:04,539
gotta know what's going on I start

3856
02:29:08,099 --> 02:29:05,619
interviewing the people in the town

3857
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:08,109
trying to find was going on and the the

3858
02:29:12,359 --> 02:29:10,329
third biggest one and sort of get to

3859
02:29:15,809 --> 02:29:12,369
this toxic issue I was with a friend of

3860
02:29:18,779 --> 02:29:15,819
mine who's now retired but was later on

3861
02:29:20,489 --> 02:29:18,789
became the public relations officer or a

3862
02:29:23,489 --> 02:29:20,499
billion-dollar corporation he was with

3863
02:29:25,380 --> 02:29:23,499
me we're seeing the small what the Cain

3864
02:29:26,939 --> 02:29:25,390
government guy called called monitors we

3865
02:29:29,969 --> 02:29:26,949
called him girl nights these things on

3866
02:29:31,620 --> 02:29:29,979
the ground and we'd go to try to catch

3867
02:29:33,149 --> 02:29:31,630
up on it would stay a certain distance

3868
02:29:35,609 --> 02:29:33,159
away from the car we're in the middle of

3869
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:35,619
nowhere no farms nothing down these

3870
02:29:40,260 --> 02:29:38,560
these roads got about eight miles down

3871
02:29:42,750 --> 02:29:40,270
there's water all over the fields

3872
02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:42,760
because it's springtime it's on this

3873
02:29:45,750 --> 02:29:44,170
bridge to go to the bridge get out it

3874
02:29:48,449 --> 02:29:45,760
we're looking around the thing is like a

3875
02:29:50,370 --> 02:29:48,459
ball of light and go down the other side

3876
02:29:51,540 --> 02:29:50,380
look back things back to the bridge go

3877
02:29:53,939 --> 02:29:51,550
back up or look try to look under the

3878
02:29:55,679 --> 02:29:53,949
bridge whatever we go back towards the

3879
02:29:57,479 --> 02:29:55,689
north again to make the shortest story

3880
02:29:59,099 --> 02:29:57,489
short things back at the bridge again I

3881
02:30:00,840 --> 02:29:59,109
said come on Jim let's go let's walk

3882
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:00,850
this time so we go and I got a movie

3883
02:30:05,609 --> 02:30:03,010
camera eight millimeter movie film three

3884
02:30:07,710 --> 02:30:05,619
was gonna take off took seven steps

3885
02:30:09,179 --> 02:30:07,720
three seconds of film seven steps three

3886
02:30:10,620 --> 02:30:09,189
seconds of film seven steps three

3887
02:30:12,599 --> 02:30:10,630
seconds film next thing you know I'm

3888
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:12,609
right at the bridge I'm right there can

3889
02:30:16,529 --> 02:30:15,130
i Jim and it was like I'm gonna touch it

3890
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:16,539
I have to touch this thing I've got a

3891
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:18,489
when I get burned whatever's gonna

3892
02:30:21,870 --> 02:30:20,050
happen I gotta touch this thing so I

3893
02:30:23,160 --> 02:30:21,880
said my friend I said I'm gonna I'm

3894
02:30:25,979 --> 02:30:23,170
gonna I'm gonna run I'm gonna jump on

3895
02:30:27,779 --> 02:30:25,989
this thing and he said well hang on he's

3896
02:30:28,949 --> 02:30:27,789
got binoculars I got the movie cameras I

3897
02:30:31,170 --> 02:30:28,959
think there's one sitting on top of the

3898
02:30:32,460 --> 02:30:31,180
car so I look in the binoculars and

3899
02:30:32,760 --> 02:30:32,470
there's things sitting on top of the car

3900
02:30:34,319 --> 02:30:32,770
is

3901
02:30:36,809 --> 02:30:34,329
orange smoke hanging down the side of

3902
02:30:38,849 --> 02:30:36,819
the car so he took off towards the car

3903
02:30:40,260 --> 02:30:38,859
and as soon as I took off her shirt

3904
02:30:42,450 --> 02:30:40,270
turned around sure enough the one to

3905
02:30:44,969 --> 02:30:42,460
break is gone I tried to convince him to

3906
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:44,979
go back and he was so scared he they

3907
02:30:50,399 --> 02:30:48,250
want to go back footage here your film

3908
02:30:51,809 --> 02:30:50,409
but you just got the footage I was

3909
02:30:54,569 --> 02:30:51,819
actually I was just in New Jersey

3910
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:54,579
lecturing and I was talking to Alan the

3911
02:30:59,580 --> 02:30:56,770
guy in Washington and he had agreed to

3912
02:31:01,559 --> 02:30:59,590
analyze I still got the whole thing it's

3913
02:31:06,420 --> 02:31:01,569
never been it's been processed but it's

3914
02:31:08,460 --> 02:31:06,430
never never been moved to to film still

3915
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:08,470
sitting in my desk a little three

3916
02:31:12,929 --> 02:31:10,960
there's little three-minute things and

3917
02:31:14,279 --> 02:31:12,939
I'm sure it's not gonna be that great

3918
02:31:15,450 --> 02:31:14,289
because it was in the middle of dark and

3919
02:31:17,399 --> 02:31:15,460
I'm holding an eighth the old 8

3920
02:31:19,979 --> 02:31:17,409
millimeter films problems just feel like

3921
02:31:22,050 --> 02:31:19,989
missed by kind of a blurry light bounce

3922
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:22,060
around but I was a when when we took the

3923
02:31:26,550 --> 02:31:24,489
final three seconds of film so that that

3924
02:31:28,469 --> 02:31:26,560
was that was my experience that I was

3925
02:31:29,969 --> 02:31:28,479
close to number of times I saw it I

3926
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:29,979
talked to the people the various

3927
02:31:33,630 --> 02:31:31,930
experience together little humanoid case

3928
02:31:35,340 --> 02:31:33,640
we had the case of the cattle

3929
02:31:38,609 --> 02:31:35,350
mutilations and all this kind of stuff

3930
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:38,619
all the weird stuff going on so to me it

3931
02:31:44,099 --> 02:31:42,010
was always there but we don't show just

3932
02:31:47,580 --> 02:31:44,109
on your experiences it sounds like yeah

3933
02:31:49,559 --> 02:31:47,590
yeah I wrote the manuscript

3934
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:49,569
and I put it around to different

3935
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:51,130
publishers and they looked at it and

3936
02:31:54,300 --> 02:31:52,810
some of them read it and then I went to

3937
02:31:56,370 --> 02:31:54,310
the local publisher and I'm in a city of

3938
02:31:58,109 --> 02:31:56,380
700,000 people the local publisher

3939
02:32:00,540 --> 02:31:58,119
everybody knew the story and I remember

3940
02:32:02,580 --> 02:32:00,550
her coming back with the the rejection

3941
02:32:04,319 --> 02:32:02,590
letter and said Mr Cameron he may

3942
02:32:06,359 --> 02:32:04,329
believe in this kind of stuff count me

3943
02:32:08,219 --> 02:32:06,369
among the unbelievers and at that point

3944
02:32:09,630 --> 02:32:08,229
it was like never another sighting I

3945
02:32:11,399 --> 02:32:09,640
don't care about sightings there's a

3946
02:32:12,660 --> 02:32:11,409
total waste of time you can tell people

3947
02:32:13,139 --> 02:32:12,670
they'll be impressed with your little

3948
02:32:15,029 --> 02:32:13,149
stories

3949
02:32:16,590 --> 02:32:15,039
I wonder what's going on this is a total

3950
02:32:18,210 --> 02:32:16,600
waste of time and I've never really

3951
02:32:21,179 --> 02:32:18,220
dealt with sighting since all I've been

3952
02:32:23,700 --> 02:32:21,189
interested in is somebody has to know if

3953
02:32:25,649 --> 02:32:23,710
I know what I know with what limited

3954
02:32:27,359 --> 02:32:25,659
resources I've got somebody in the

3955
02:32:28,920 --> 02:32:27,369
government somebody in the military has

3956
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:28,930
to know a heck of a lot more than what I

3957
02:32:33,029 --> 02:32:31,210
know and that was the thing that kept me

3958
02:32:35,219 --> 02:32:33,039
going and it's like a game I'm very

3959
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:35,229
competitive and you know what else

3960
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:36,640
you're gonna do I mean you you play the

3961
02:32:40,769 --> 02:32:39,130
game and it's exciting the odd time

3962
02:32:42,420 --> 02:32:40,779
you'll get a document when Jack's all

3963
02:32:44,880 --> 02:32:42,430
they sent me a document was like that

3964
02:32:46,649 --> 02:32:44,890
made it there we go this is a piece of

3965
02:32:48,869 --> 02:32:46,659
the puzzle that I got

3966
02:32:50,909 --> 02:32:48,879
never would have been put in place

3967
02:32:52,439 --> 02:32:50,919
unless I had done the work and so you

3968
02:32:54,659 --> 02:32:52,449
get the odd one it just keeps you going

3969
02:32:56,819 --> 02:32:54,669
and you get closer and I think I'm

3970
02:33:00,269 --> 02:32:56,829
getting closer with with Pandolfi and

3971
02:33:01,819 --> 02:33:00,279
with this whole Avery Beckham does a

3972
02:33:04,889 --> 02:33:01,829
great job on this whole thing this whole

3973
02:33:06,779 --> 02:33:04,899
underworld and I think when you and when

3974
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:06,789
I would leak these emails I saw some of

3975
02:33:11,249 --> 02:33:08,890
the discussions that were going on and

3976
02:33:13,289 --> 02:33:11,259
these people are much higher they know

3977
02:33:14,039 --> 02:33:13,299
what's going on and that is where I've

3978
02:33:16,649 --> 02:33:14,049
headed

3979
02:33:18,419 --> 02:33:16,659
unfortunately I sort of blew my cover on

3980
02:33:19,889 --> 02:33:18,429
one of them releasing some material I

3981
02:33:21,869 --> 02:33:19,899
shouldn't released and nobody really

3982
02:33:23,550 --> 02:33:21,879
talks to me anymore but I still try to

3983
02:33:25,559 --> 02:33:23,560
get into that level and what these guys

3984
02:33:28,349 --> 02:33:25,569
are doing because these people do know a

3985
02:33:31,050 --> 02:33:28,359
lot more what's going on playing a game

3986
02:33:34,139 --> 02:33:31,060
in public a game is public yeah while

3987
02:33:35,489 --> 02:33:34,149
Pandolfi is yeah not green it's not

3988
02:33:38,909 --> 02:33:35,499
doing it in public

3989
02:33:40,769 --> 02:33:38,919
Dody is probably very involved doing

3990
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:40,779
whatever the heck he's doing how about

3991
02:33:45,079 --> 02:33:43,600
the the Sakura doodle nights of national

3992
02:33:51,059 --> 02:33:45,089
security have you ever heard that term

3993
02:33:53,429 --> 02:33:51,069
no just curious in that question Chris

3994
02:33:55,789 --> 02:33:53,439
when I asked you quickly well several of

3995
02:33:59,369 --> 02:33:55,799
the names that are being bantered about

3996
02:34:01,429 --> 02:33:59,379
are alleged by a source of mind to be

3997
02:34:04,349 --> 02:34:01,439
involved in a tongue-in-cheek

3998
02:34:07,380 --> 02:34:04,359
organization called the sacral Knights

3999
02:34:10,169 --> 02:34:07,390
of national security and I I just find

4000
02:34:11,369 --> 02:34:10,179
it interesting that I'm the trappings of

4001
02:34:16,439 --> 02:34:11,379
some sort of fraternal Brotherhood

4002
02:34:18,659 --> 02:34:16,449
should be used to communicate between

4003
02:34:20,249 --> 02:34:18,669
some of these figures in a

4004
02:34:23,159 --> 02:34:20,259
tongue-in-cheek manner I would i would

4005
02:34:24,979 --> 02:34:23,169
guess but there is something to it i

4006
02:34:29,119 --> 02:34:24,989
think grant you're you're an unsung hero

4007
02:34:32,059 --> 02:34:29,129
you've obviously spent years you know

4008
02:34:34,859 --> 02:34:32,069
creating opportunities with contacts

4009
02:34:36,779 --> 02:34:34,869
filing the FOI a request really doing

4010
02:34:40,169 --> 02:34:36,789
the hard hard work the hard research I

4011
02:34:42,779 --> 02:34:40,179
commend you on this I think we need more

4012
02:34:44,669 --> 02:34:42,789
grant Cameron's out there bugging the

4013
02:34:47,729 --> 02:34:44,679
government we need more Jon Greenwald's

4014
02:34:49,529 --> 02:34:47,739
and others who you know or I think

4015
02:34:51,869 --> 02:34:49,539
unsung heroes in this realm and and I

4016
02:34:54,029 --> 02:34:51,879
think at one point data will overwhelm

4017
02:34:57,230 --> 02:34:54,039
the mystery all it would take is one or

4018
02:35:00,470 --> 02:34:57,240
two straws to break that the

4019
02:35:02,530 --> 02:35:00,480
you fo camel's back and who knows we

4020
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:02,540
could get the floodgates opened and and

4021
02:35:08,660 --> 02:35:06,090
you know people might be called to

4022
02:35:10,190 --> 02:35:08,670
account for having this knowledge and

4023
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:10,200
why it's being withheld from humanity

4024
02:35:14,690 --> 02:35:12,570
and I really do applaud your your

4025
02:35:16,370 --> 02:35:14,700
efforts in this regard grant Kalen would

4026
02:35:18,020 --> 02:35:16,380
you tell our listeners where they can

4027
02:35:20,841 --> 02:35:18,030
find more of your information on what

4028
02:35:25,250 --> 02:35:20,851
you're working on now most of my

4029
02:35:27,320 --> 02:35:25,260
material is at presidential UFO calm is

4030
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:27,330
my main site where the john alexander

4031
02:35:32,270 --> 02:35:30,330
article is and the some of the documents

4032
02:35:34,310 --> 02:35:32,280
I've got a document section where some

4033
02:35:37,430 --> 02:35:34,320
of documents I've gotten are there I

4034
02:35:39,950 --> 02:35:37,440
also have the Hillary Clinton UFO dotnet

4035
02:35:43,100 --> 02:35:39,960
site and I also have the Barack Obama

4036
02:35:44,421 --> 02:35:43,110
UFO comm site but not much goes on there

4037
02:35:45,921 --> 02:35:44,431
because Barack Obama I really hasn't

4038
02:35:47,841 --> 02:35:45,931
done a heck of a lot did a lot when he

4039
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:47,851
was a lot of stories when he was running

4040
02:35:52,970 --> 02:35:50,880
for president but really nothing my main

4041
02:35:54,980 --> 02:35:52,980
thing is that five hundred years from

4042
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:54,990
now people are gonna look back and say

4043
02:35:58,220 --> 02:35:56,880
man it must have been meat folded during

4044
02:36:00,290 --> 02:35:58,230
that time when this thing was going on

4045
02:36:02,570 --> 02:36:00,300
and I think we live in historic times I

4046
02:36:04,671 --> 02:36:02,580
think we are key people that are

4047
02:36:06,921 --> 02:36:04,681
responsible for putting down the history

4048
02:36:09,650 --> 02:36:06,931
of what it was like to live in a time

4049
02:36:11,930 --> 02:36:09,660
when this thing was breaking that's all

4050
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:11,940
it is to me is is 500 years from now

4051
02:36:16,790 --> 02:36:14,610
people will want to have the is much

4052
02:36:18,440 --> 02:36:16,800
detail of the story of what was

4053
02:36:20,270 --> 02:36:18,450
happening right now and that's what I

4054
02:36:22,310 --> 02:36:20,280
try to do is give this much detail put

4055
02:36:25,940 --> 02:36:22,320
it all I try not to cover anything up I

4056
02:36:28,011 --> 02:36:25,950
try not to just you know everything on

4057
02:36:29,631 --> 02:36:28,021
the record to say as much as I can so

4058
02:36:31,671 --> 02:36:29,641
that future generations will be able to

4059
02:36:34,610 --> 02:36:31,681
see exactly what happened Chris O'Brien

4060
02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:34,620
where do we find more of your stuff well

4061
02:36:40,881 --> 02:36:37,200
I'm a moderator at the forum dot the

4062
02:36:42,890 --> 02:36:40,891
podcast com and also I have a website

4063
02:36:45,261 --> 02:36:42,900
that's going to be revamp soon called

4064
02:36:47,900 --> 02:36:45,271
our strange planet calm and we're

4065
02:36:50,841 --> 02:36:47,910
working very hard with Chris to modify

4066
02:36:53,390 --> 02:36:50,851
that site bring it to the 24th century

4067
02:36:55,310 --> 02:36:53,400
these are Trek and everything okay grand

4068
02:37:02,820 --> 02:36:55,320
Cameron thank you so much for joining us

4069
02:37:07,690 --> 02:37:05,320
this is a calculated presentation of

4070
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:07,700
making the impossible incorporated tune

4071
02:37:17,889 --> 02:37:10,730
in next week for a new adventure and the

4072
02:37:19,290 --> 02:37:18,350
you